Junior Stockers
 

Found this interesting (couple year old) story on the Junior Stockers.

http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/..._feature8.html

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Interesting that this Larry Davis article didn't have the usual amount of mistakes in it.
When you can read the info right off the picture, it makes it easier ,I guess.

Here's a few though:

Pic 1, I don't what exactly he was trying to say about the HP rating. All models were rated the same, and I think 135 was the original rating anyway.


Pic 6 , The Camaro converts weren't heavier because of the metal top bows.
They were a little sturdier in the rocker panel and floor pan areas, but the majority of the extra weight was due to the 100 pounds of vibration dampener "tanks" in all four corners of the car.

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Larry Davis dosent know his azz from a hole in the ground. His book is FULL of mistakes.

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Cracked me up reading that. He certainly had a lot of it wrong.

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The Batcar Camaro Conv. was bought from Dave (Columbus, Ohio) by Sherman Gerlock in W.Va . He still has it, I heard he made a street driver. It was on Rod Shop Team Car.
P.S.
Larry Eagle

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Sherman sold the car to a guy from Tx. He tore the car apart and did a complete frame off.

http://chevrolets.info/?cat=36

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Dave Conner had a construction company in Delaware, Ohio....just north of Columbus.

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I worked as a GMI coop student at the Norwood factory where they made the camaro's back then, and I was told the corner weights were supposed to add stability to help keep the cars from flipping.

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Howdy, first post here on another great site.

I actually went out to Shermans a few years ago to talk to him about racing the BatCar and photograph it. Afterword I helped put him together with the current owner of the car. Both Sherman and the new owner are great guys. As Sherman explained it to me and I have also heard from several other people, for part of the year in 1967 through I believe early 1968 there was a special break given to convertibles running in the class. As a result Chevrolet decided to shoehorn in the L78 which made it extremely competitive in the ragtops for the time. Later on when the rule was changed most racers detuned the L78 engines to L35 325hp specs or in the BatCars case the motor was actually pulled and shelved and replaced with a lower hp engine. So even though the car has 1495 miles the engine actually has less. The car was run by Dave Conner from the day after he took it off the lot through the early days of the Rod Shop and then it was sold to Sherman some time around when they got the Hemi contract. The rest is 11 and 12 second history.

When out there I took a few hundred pictures of the car inside and out and also have a small mountain of images of the car from the restoration beyond what is one the site listed above. There is even a shot of Dave Conner taking the car down the track the day after it was bought with just a change in rear tires. I have linked the two galleries of pics below if anyone wants to see them. There are also some shots of old time slips and what not in one of the galleries from when Sherman was racing it.

http://www.thecamaro.com/garage/mike...et_Camaro_L78/

http://www.thecamaro.com/garage/mike...8_Convertible/

Can't leave off without including what seems to be everyone's favorite shot of the car.

http://www.thecamaro.com/garage/mike.../P10101883.jpg

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Mike, What I have read is that the weights were there to dampen cowl shake, for instance when going over railroad tracks.
They were also used in Corvair convertibles.

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Yes, the weights are used as I understand it for vibration dampening while driving but also to help balance the cars structure from a weight point of view and reduce strain on the center of the car (rockers and floors). As an old GM employee once said to me they are their to keep the car form folding in half. The floors in first gen convertible Camaros are the same as coupes but the rockers are heavier than coupes.

I do remember running around a in a friends convertible 20 some odd years ago without the dampers in it and it was noticeably different. Then again the horribly rusted floors may have had something to do with it as well.

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What I was alluding to in the floors, was the drive shaft tunnel brace, only in convertibles.

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Got ya, you were referring to the X Brace under the floors.

http://www.thecamaro.com/garage/mike...s/IMG_4848.JPG

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http://imageshack.us/a/img805/6180/gerryrobison.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/6688/5...iorstocker.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img259/4776/5...iorstocker.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/2631/georgecureton5.jpg

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img16/1934/breakaways.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img696/4263/breakaway03.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/2957/breakaway04.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img831/1769/breakaway02.jpg

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img841/8255/quickdelivery.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img546/8840/berejekolds.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img40/1112/bobbywarren.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img607/3796/littlerichard.jpg

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img171/8697/b...racingent2.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img411/9954/bobbarrypontiac.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/937/bossbi.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img155/3231/bobcollins.jpg

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img29/3889/burkittwarren.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/4006/crossroadslm02.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/3253/hadfordkollar02.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img145/3716/hadfordkollar.jpg

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img100/6204/hermanchapman.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img854/9369/bobbeckert.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img13/6338/bigjohnmason.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img259/6641/bigiron2.jpg

M68

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Great shots as usual M68...you got any more early sixties Pontiac photo's like this one.

http://imageshack.us/a/img411/9954/bobbarrypontiac.jpg

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Thanks, HM. The 1962 Pontiac Catalina (and Grand Prix) is one of my favorites as far as early Ponchos go. I probably have more photos somewhere in my vast collection. If I find any, I'll be sure to post them

M68

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M68, yeah that would be cool if you can find some more early stuff on the old Tin-Indians & Swiss-Cheese race cars...some pretty trick stuff from Pontiac back then.

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Will do.

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img196/8761/callahansulc012.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img341/449/callahanandsulc2.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/5527/callahansulc03b.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img593/1421/callahansulc01.jpg

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img507/5517/berejikolds02b.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img19/682/berejikolds03.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img26/9430/berejikoldswreck2.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img834/2357/b...oldswreck1.jpg

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img253/9114/bananapeel1.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img41/5449/bananapeel2.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img88/5023/garymoore.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img854/2012/jackmatyas03.jpg

M68

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M68, would you happen to have anything on the Callahan & Sulc Challenger when it flipped on it's lid...any photos or story on want happened to it, etc.


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M68....That "Break Away" Firebird is still around...somewhere. Saw it at a car show in
CT about a dozen or so years ago...original owner bought it back and did total resto....
including the lettering...

Love those early season? Dover shots with the snow melting...I missed out on Dover
back in the day...wish I hadn't!!!

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There is a story about the second car pictured above (which, by the way, started out life as a hardtop) on the H.A.M.B. web site's Junior Stock thread as told by Dominic "It's Dynamite" Rinaldi. I wish I had the exact link for you. It's somewhere there in that very long thread.* It's a very interesting story as Dom relates the details on how Frank Sulc transformed the team's second Challenger from a hardtop to convertible with (body and interior) parts help from Chrysler due to a shortage of 1971 Dodge Challenger convertibles--at least at the time the C & S team needed one after the crash of their first Challenger on top end at Sanair.

M68

*http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=201085

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http://imageshack.us/a/img411/9143/sautoservice01.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img196/4851/youhootoo01.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img88/4753/wheatleybros01.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img100/4238/wheatleybros1968.jpg

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img716/797/unknown16t.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img231/1917/waynejesel2.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img811/6092/stevesweitzer01.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img267/2723/thehostage01.jpg

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img687/6178/georgecureton01.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img845/8686/sdynamite01.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img259/6651/j...eenstock02.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img513/8544/johnthropp01.jpg

M68

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http://imageshack.us/a/img443/4209/davekempton01.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img441/4028/d...delvecchio.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img94/9534/charliehammp.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img22/4333/aggravationii01.jpg

M68

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Hey M68, you got anymore oldies like these...

http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...06915533_n.jpg

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._3505072_n.jpg

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._5486174_n.jpg

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A few more oldies...

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=3327

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=3732

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=6532

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=3332

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M68, found the article...

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4...llahansulc.jpg

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http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...0427776412.jpg

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...0427774320.jpg

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...bs/zseger4.jpg



http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...1287974638.jpg






Anyone know the issue with the white car please let me know? I know above article with
the darker colored car is Hi performance cars March 1972. Im still looking for the other. Thanks.

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...0427774318.jpg
http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...0427774319.jpg

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...0432963402.jpg







http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...0427775701.jpg






Dark colored and white Olds is the same car. White car is a repaint with 72 Cosmetics.
Rare 71 Cutlass SX not to mention being a convertible SX. Bought off an Olds dealer's
wife. Car was sold with an incorrect 350 engine after Seger was done racing it.

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1970 I think it was....

I was there in the lanes when that happened....Was half asleep as it was pretty late and we had waited for a long time for Stock to pull out. It was a saturday night extra eliminator.....Sunday was the WCS event and as I recall it....Tommy Calahan jumped in his old car the '62 Plythouth that Frank Iaconio had been driving.....and won the race on Sunday.....I do recall the scrape marks on his helmet from the Challenger rolling over......and the broken front wheel. Not very cool......The track had some drainage ditches along it.....very unsafe....

I was there with Joe Simon and at the time we still owned and raced the Chevy II in one of the earlier pictures with Decola-Delvecchio's names lettered on the door......We sold it to them in 1972

Sanair was nice...Only track I can ever recall having a beer stand near the stands.......and a bar in the tower...

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Rich, thanks for the story & info on the Callahan & Sulc Challenger...anyone know if the car is still around today.

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The burgandy Berejik Olds was involved in a rollover while on the trailer and was replaced with an aqua 68 442 of which photos are a rare find.


http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...68442_teal.jpg


http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe...1286131577.jpg