Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

At the "
$1,000,000 Race"?

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

How many you think are just that now?What's your point Larry?

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

The million dollar bracket race held annually. Mostly won by rear engined dragsters with enough electronics to launch the space shuttle. Never had enough entries to pay the full million. Stiff entry fees with buy backs. Usually the winer gets around $250-$300 thousand.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

All the late model Corvettes are that way, do you think that they can cheat any better with a fly by wire throttle bodied car? Years ago, the Moroso 5 day had a car being controlled by something other then the driver's foot, it had a throttle stop on it being controlled electronically remotely. It made for an interesting evening, a 7 second dragster dialed in at 10 seconds. The owner was told to take it home and didn't get any purse money.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

The new mustangs have what should be called traction control. They only open the throttle a percentage of full open during launch.The next time you run down the track with one look at the 60 foot time and then the 1/8 mile time and do a comparison with a car that uses a cable or throttle linkage. It would be a simple math calculation.

Do the high dollar races allow traction control ignition system? I have never been to one or bothered to read the rules

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Mike....Do you know what you're talking about....

The drive by wire is a negative ...not a positive....

Larry,

Sorry I missed you this weekend....I think you are losing too much sleep over this....

They can probably do a special Pink CJ for you ya know....lol

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Ask Larry if this is not correct

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

THE Million Dollar race was originated by George Howard and Steve Earwood. It's now owned by Randy Folk. This years edition will be at Montgomery. The EF is $2,000 and the BB is $500. This race is very much dominated by RED, but door cars have won.

Next item:
Casey you are refering to Rich Matty. He was using a device Nicknamed the "MATTY BOX" Go to brackettalk and research Matty or dirty dozen. Lots of rumors of what happened in Florida that year but fact Rich refused a teardown and was asked to leave then before the mob really got out of control. Side note the sanction bodies new it was out there but they never found it.

Next item:
Traction control is not allowed at many races nor it the MSD box you are reffering to. I would ask before I got caught with one.

Last:
I can't answer Larry's question but if it's a factory item I don't see why not.
Chip

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Not to throw gasoline on this subject but.....with all the I/Phone and personal handheld devices that are available now there is several performance and tuning apps for these that allow "on the fly" corrections to your vehicle WHILE YOU ARE ON THE TRACK......I have seen a couple in action and they are VERY accurate....they can take a previous run and repeat it once the time and distance is recorded from the previous run.....so....technology is officially ahead of the curve....do not allow them on your person in the vehicle, doesn't matter....the phone doesn't even need to be on the event property to accomplish this....I can see ignition boxes, ECU's, etc being removed and inspected by tech's from the respective manufacturers to verify that this modern micro technology hasn't been added so the phone can communicate with it....

D L Rambo....

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

And, you get these apps where? What brand ECUs have Bluetooth? I tune most systems, no Bluetooth or wireless capabilities on anything I've encountered.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

can you explain why it would be a negative? it seems to me being able to launch say a new mustang with limited traction at say 50% throttle, and ramp it to full on as traction allows, would be far from a negative. also i would think it would be simple enough to take a factory abs sensor that monitors wheels speed , and use it to have some sort of traction control.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Drive by wire is traction control!

If your foot is on the floor the throttle should be wide open. Yes the computer can adjust fuel and timing but should not be able to adjust throttle going down the track. Let the driver do all adjustments to the throttle position during the run.

Solution is have a cable from accelerator pedal to throttle shaft and a throttle position sensor sending info to the computer. If the computer controls the throttle that is traction control.

Drive by wire and the computer controlled throttle gives the racer the the unfair advantage of run tracing. Put a previous run in the computer tell it to trace and the run should be traceable to .002 of a second.

Gps; I overheard a lady's voice in a new race car radio "Arrive at destination in 1320 feet, time of arival 9.582 seconds".

As they say in the movies "Follow the money"

Have you seen a Ford spin lately?

Why are the governing bodies of this sport allowing the new cars to have such an unfair advantage in eliminations?

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

I got a new drive by wire system. I use a throttle cable, but we limit it to 70 or 80 or so %, but if I spin the tires, I pull this wire and open the throttle all the way and try to make it up. Comes out right under the tach and looks like a coat hanger. I might sell the patent to Lokar. I am developing a solenoid to pull it if the sensor detect the wheel spin, so I don't have to think about it. Works like this; If the rpm goes up faster than .03598 nanoseconds, the solenoid kicks in and pulls the throttle open. However if the rpm goes up only .02985 nanoseconds, then the throttle opens an additional 10%, and does not go to WOT only making up what I lose. I have a timer for the first 8.692 ft, and it can determine if the additional throttle is needed.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Drinkin that s**t again, ain't ya Jeff? LMAO

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

I have to drink that stuff to invent this stuff. I got a bottle of Grey Goose Orange going to Bristol along with fresh oranges for that slice that calms it down. I need someone staying at a hotel to bring me some ice maker ice. Much better than icemaker ice in the camper. Ice maker ice from the freezer picks up too many odors, but drink ice is not frozen nearly as hard, and it melts at a faster rate, therefore loosing the odors early before it can affect the drink. And it needs no cable. It loses the odor in .049876 miliseconds.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

If we don't have any other technical subjects, then I'm going to bed as the 4 AM departure comes early.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Good luck Jeff!

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Larry do a little more research before you post. Your not helping your cause. The ford factory fly by wire system cannot be changed while going down the track. If you start a run 70% throttle you end a run 70% throttle. Drive by wire is not traction control in drag racing. Yes you could cheat using fly by wire, but you can also cheat using a carburetor and a home made MSD box. So what is your point? If you think new cars are the only thing holding you back from winning race's build one. Then you can have that unfair advantage and all that prize money.

Fords don't spin anyway.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Charley, how can a car that runs 9.50 and a car that runs 10.60 have the same 60 foot time if they don't vary or control (gain) the throttle opening during the run?

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

800 hp, 600ft/lbs torque, 42% rear weight, 9" tires, hot track, and no spin.

Its just a physics problem!

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

1.80 low gear in a 2 speed trans and a big blower SS

2.40 low gear three speed trans and a small blower STK

CJ are turds off the line and then the blower takes over. There only 330 CI
Mike the CJ make all there power from 500 ft to 1320ft. Ask anyone that has ran one and they will tell you at 1000ft you don't think they are getting there and then all at once they are going by you.
any other questions.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Would the drive by wire, traction controle, run tracing, wheel counter, CJ 's be allowed in Super Gas?

Ford spent the money, dotted all the I's and cross all the T's, did the R&D, and bought the rest with cars and trucks.

Get ready to see them in the winners circle, a lot.

Bottom line CJ's are great race cars!!!!

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Larry It's time for you to trade in that old cuda for a new DP or CJ. I really hate to see you with an unfair advantage. Joe Teuton can you help Larry out with a trade in program or something. If the fords and DP were so great they would have won more then TWO national events in the past three years. There have been more 1960's camaro and F body cars winning then DP and CJ in the past three years.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

This whole topic is funny, I drive an 08 cobra jet for a friend of mine on occasion and have worked on it for him more times than I care to count. Ford must have done a great job at hiding all these counters because I haven't found one yet. ( so if someone can pm me the locations it would allow me to stop looking) lol. The car I drive is a stick car and I can tell you on more than one occasion traction has been an issue. Or is traction control only an option on the automatic cars? lol. If so, I guess I need to talk him into putting an automatic in it. May not be as much fun to drive, but hey the winnings and all the walley's should start rolling in. I'm trying to remember how many of these cheating cars have won National events. I can only think of one and it was a stick, so he didn't even get all the extra enhancements the automatic guys get. lol
Chuck

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

I see Charley Downing said that two have won, so I must have missed on.
Chuck

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

This is some funny stuff right here. People that do not have something, yet know all about it. Blower cost you power until they start to make boost.
Oops! I just saw another black helicoptor land on the grassy knoll!!

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Races won don't matter as much as rounds won, if in fact there is any hanky panky. You observe a CJ going three x.72's in a row clicking early, and you do hear helicopters....or maybe the hearing aids need batteries

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Just the latest in the well known series of "chev should ALWAYS WIN and if they don't then somebody else is cheating" threads. Once the underfactored/misfactored/traction control/factory money/planets only line up for them whining is done then we'll have peace.

But of course we all know the only way to stop the crying is either ban everything but 69 camaro's or ban the cj's and dp's.

Whatever........but, but , fords aren't supposed to win! sniff, sniff




wah, wah, wah.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

So I guess if you drive a cj or challanger if you spot drop, or run it to the 1000' your cheating, but its ok for everyone else out there? lol
Chuck

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

As usual all the small thinker's think somebody is picking on their favorite car.

The general question was does the "drive by wire" give an unfair advantage or is it legal?

Larry asked a legitimate question and all he got was the same old diatribe about "you're picking on my favorite car", bull crap, childish.

JimR

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Personally, I don't like the drive by wire. That being said, I think it is legal
Chuck

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Ed,
I have a Bluetooth interface that hooks up to the OBDII port under the dash.

http://cgi.ebay.com/V-1-4-obd2-elm32...item2a10cdce66

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

That is a basic OBD2 scanner. The new stuff is CAN interface. Scanners don't manipulate code in the ECU. Nothing like what was discussed.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Nice job this weekend Kevin.

I called brad Charlie cause they look similar, sorry Brad.. :/

It's been awhile since I've seen Charlie.

A little calculus will tell is what's really happening with the throttle manipulations going on, right? Thank you Newton.:)

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Ed....Bluetooth, WI-FI, 802.11 are all available to access data and monitor a vehicles functions with the proper interfaces and apps that are also available,with the micro electronics some of these are small enough to integrate into an ignition box or an ECU.....the technology has been out there for years (F1 has been able to do this for a long time but they aren't supposed to use it, same with INDY cars....monitoring is OK,tuning on the fly is not even though they can).....auto-tuning and or self calibration to a preset ET (once set) is pretty easily done for someone intent on doing it.....

D L Rambo.....

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Chuck of C&W try looking for a program that looks very similar to cruise control. You know you tell the computer how fast to run and the computer adjust throttle position, fuel delivery, and timing to trace a run.

Remember F1 had to pass a rule to have the driver shift the transmission.

Most if not all things are possible if enough money is spent in the right place.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

The ECU has to be compatible for it to work. Monitoring is one thing, that is what scanners do. Manipulating the ECU's code, espscially on the fly, is another. F1 ECUs are one thing, Ford ECUs, FAST & Bigstuff3 are another. They do not support wireless (like Bluetooth) control. Looking for an interface connected to the interface cable (where you connect the laptop for tuning) is not hard to watch for. Could an ECU, like F1, be built to do that? Of course. Is one on NHRA's accepted list? Nope.

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Get over it Larry....I could cheat if I had a pink Mopar...too..lol

Drive by wire is not desirable...for us anyway....it's just the way the new cars come.....if you run a factory ECU....you get drive by wire....if not...you use a cable....end of story....ask Bo....lol

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

Charley, I'm confused, my 93 Mustang Cobra H/S car is nearing completion, and where should I set the throttle to prevent being blown off the track because I don't have a supercharger ? I'm thinking with all that horsepower that you found on the dyno, that if you get bumped into H/S, all my efforts will be for naught.!!!, and how would would I feel then. LOL!!!

Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?
 

I'd set your throttle at 200% if I was you!