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Hello All ;)
I was just wondering who's coming?
Sounds like its gonna be a "GREAT RACE"
Come one come all, here's your chance to take home the big Money in all classes.

$5000.00 + to the winner.

Cal
HR 177X

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Cal, I will be there to watch and check out your new ride. I will be with Don Dimeler and Monty Cornwell.

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Been a While look forward to seeing you Terry.
Stop by the trailer Sat evening I should have Pulled Pork & Slaw.

Cal
HR 177X

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Looks like a good opportunity to do some 1/4-mile testing with the Volare... :cool:

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We will be there with the stocker , and the superstocker(if engine is back from shop)...

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I'll be there with the 'wagon, although I may not get a chance to test before I leave. I'm guessing she'll weight-in close to N/SA.

One more "small" box from Summit on my doorstep should do the trick!

Looking forward to seeing everyone there!

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I think it would be a nice chance to show unity in the sportsman ranks. It may not be perfect for the diehard Super/Stock racer, blending the (I) and the (N) cars together. They will be operating off of IHRA rules. Also a ladder will not be established untill atleast the by-back round has been completed. Looks like the NHRA cars just got your .3 back for this one. My understanding is that class winners will be awarded based on the quailifying sheet, don't know what the prize for class is though. Here's a chance to give what you like a shot in the arm, and send a message!

Wade Mahaffey

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Been turning some wrenches , huh.......
See you there..If you need anything just let me know

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Danny....I could use a few shoe box's of that money you have laying around unused......LOL.

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Monopoly money already spent Terry....Used the shoe boxes to start firewood in winter.
Look me up at MIR....Call me before you leave to go for a present(??)

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PM me....I cant find your phone #.
Thanks

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It's a shame that the IHRA folks putting on this race don't really have a clue about stock and super stock. Buybacks and random pairings. They don't have this crap at their regular races. Why now? This may please the bracket racers that have a stocker but a lot of the NHRA regulars i fear will be missing. Even at our combo races in BG we have a ladder and heads up races. I hope they do well with the race. I have been very supportive to IHRA this year and plan on attending all eight of the d3 races, but these are the kinds of gimmicks that I fell will keep a lot of NHRA racers away.

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X's 2 but Im thinking it has more to do with Royce Miller (track owner) than IHRA. Thats just my opinion as he is afraid the car count wont support the purse. He dosent know squat about stock or S/S and is an old S/C racer. Of course IHRA management needs to come a long way also.

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OK, so this race isn't perfect! Name one format that everyone can agree on! It's still an excellent opportunity for all of us to support a sanctioning body that has continually tried to make a difference. Royce Miller is a very good businessman, and he's well aware that he can't stay in business by loosing money. Let's show him and everyone else that we really do care about the future of Stock and Super Stock class racing! We have a real chance to make a success of this, and those things that don't work can be fixed for the next time.

Just my two cents!

Lew

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True.....Im not crazy about buy backs at any kind of race (bracket or other wise) but MIR is a great track and the Millers try very hard to have a great show and they are honest. Does it really matter who you run first round anyway so why worry about random pairings in the first round? The new DP's and Mustangs run the FI class for you guys in the old cars so a heads up isnt a worry in this deal. The track has always hooked like it has teeth on the starting line and is a class act race track. .

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Any other races nearby that might draw racers away?

I'll be on vacation..... wish I could make it.... but can't.

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we are going

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Danny,
You don't know if you could have me a present, do you?
Butch the camera guy.

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Yep ,call my cell 252 525 0550

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My random ramblings on this event.

Greg, are you sure about the no "heads up" in S/SS?
I think that heads up applies.
You should read the flier.
On the buy backs, it doesn't really bother me much. I figure if I beat the guy/gal once I can do it again.

What else really doesn't help is that it is scheduled on top of the Joliet Nationals/Jegs All Stars.
Already snubbed northern IHRA racers forced to choose will probably stay away.
Just look at the Joliet entry list in all the classes. Lot's of IHRA regulars.
I have a IHRA gold card and we are going to Joliet.
If it was not on top of Joliet we would definately be coming with all 3 cars.

On the class run offs, that is a dead issue with IHRA.
I begged, pleaded, and even demanded of Mike Baker that we race for class and he flat won't change his mind. Says there are not enough cars showing up to warrant the time.
My thoughts are that policy certainly will not encourage any more entrants.

I applaud MIR and IHRA for trying so hard to put together such a cool event for the sportsman racer and wish everyone tremendous success.
I only wish that there was a bit more thought and planning put into the date.
Joliet is a very popular event with the sportsman racers. Right up there with Indy and Norwalk.

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It would interesting to know who is going to MIR. But there is not a list or required pre entry to it. Would like to see a list of entries, might not be as small a crowd as some would want you to believe.

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Alex how can they run heads up when there are random pairings. Maybe after 3rd round when the cars are laddered.

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Ok guys ,Here is what is happening the last i heard,
You will qualify at least 2 sessions .
You will be on a ladder 1st round like always...With heads -up runs in effect(scales and fuel check)
If you loose and want to do the re-entry ,all the re-entry's will run each other and probably wil be paired off the original qualifying sheet from ther respected q-position...
All the re-entry winners will go to second round.
The second round ladder will be set by the original qualifying also by picking all the winners in order off the original q-sheet.(1st round winners and re-entry winners)
And from there you will have a set ladder til the end....still having possible heads - up runs..

How does this sound to you guys...?
I suggested this to Scooter and he seemed very interested in this system as you will still have heads up throughuot the whole program without random pairing and everybody chasing everybody to the lanes in hopes of a heads-up...
If you do like this idea ,you need to e-mail Scooter and let him know.
This is about as fair as you can get using a re-entry program...
Guess what ,there will not be many playing the ladder except for a 1st round by, so there shouls be some fast runs at MIR cause it can handle these cars very well....

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Danny,
I was told the re-entry rd would be random pairing but everything else would be on a ladder.

Guys, I don't like BB/Reentry either but to pay the 5 grand they will need them. You are still paying the same entry you would otherwise and running for 5 times more money.
Chip

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How long would it take to pick out the re-entrys from the original q- sheet and make a re-entry ladder ? Problem solved..

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There's no reason why cars can't be laddered 1st round, and with a "Re-Entry"-style buyback program, buybacks race each other in a separate round BEFORE 2nd round, with only the winners advancing to Rnd 2. (ie., if you have 80 cars, 40 lose 1st round, if 50% of the losers (20) pay to Re-Enter, only 10 advance to Rnd 2, so Rnd 2 would have a total of 50 cars) Everyone has to EARN a round to go into 2nd round. There's no reason to not have another ladder generated for 2nd round, which would take us through to the end.

I'm a bracket racer that runs S/SS. I would prefer to keep S/SS events of any kind with no buybacks, HOWEVER, you have someone putting on a $200 entry for $5,000 to win GUARANTEED purse... with the track record of support that racers have been (not) showing, it's hard to blame them. Personally, I'd like to see a car count minimum on it saying "No buybacks if over XX cars", but hey, it's a trial run.

It's probably also worth pointing out that if S/SS racers are so adamantly against buybacks, then nobody will buy back, so it will become a no buyback race by definition. :rolleyes: It's like saying you don't like cheese, so you won't go to a hamburger joint that offers cheeseburgers. Uh, just get the hamburger then.

If there are not enough cars, it would stand to reason that it wouldn't take much time to run it. Just my opinion.

The only issue I can see is someone not wanting to Re-Enter if they think they MIGHT have a heads-up, but have no way of knowing until well after they've bought back, and people wouldn't have time to prepare accordingly. I don't have a problem with it either way (ladder or random for the Re-Entry round), but someone in a populated class might.

Chip, you don't have a Stocker anymore, therefore your math must not be right! j/k You and your facts! :p

$.02,

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While "heads-up" runs are way cool, are there folks that will not race unless there is a chance of a "heads-up" run? I don't see many heads-up runs when I view the event coverage on ND or DRC. It seems to me that there is a very slight chance of a heads-up run at any NHRA national event (other than when class is contested), so why would that be a reason not to race MIR. And why would there be such a big deal about when the ladder starts. The delayed start of a ladder due to "buy backs" could still result in a heads-up match, the same slight chance that is present at any national event. Royce feels he needs the "buy back" program to fund the purse and cost. The reason is that he can't trust the racers (not his quote) to show up and support this type of race. If there was a showing of unity and participation (car count) maybe he then could consider tailoring the event to the racers wants and needs. My opinion is that Royce and Scooter are offering a place to start. It is now the racers part to appreciate and initiate a bond that will yeild more places to race and allow the class to thrive!

Wade Mahaffey

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Sorry for double post.

Wade Mahaffey

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Heads up or not , i will still go and support this race..
I was just making suggestions to try and cater to all involved....
We need to support this race so we can continue to have class racing and hopefully with a nice payout....
As said ,this is a trial and error deal and can be ironed out to almost perfection...
I'm in either way

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Are actual Ironmans being given out for class winners? Or the plaques.

Thanks

Eric

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They have been being plaques and your pic taken in the winners circle for purchase

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Guys don't get me wrong, I really hope this race is successful. I won't be there because I had hand surgery 1 1/2 weeks ago. I am planning on going to the race in Virginia in October. My concern is that the gimmicks are going to hurt car count enough to make it not so successful and the the company line is we tried and no one supported us. There are a lot of Stock and Super Stock racers within a 5 or 6 hour drive from Maryland. In an e-mail I told Scooter that i thought he could have 70-80 stockers and 60-70 super stockers without the buybacks. Are the buy backs and random pairings going to keep people away? I think they will, but we won't know until race weekend.

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One of the main reasons I switched to Stock was to get away from the Buy backs and electronics. I live no where close to this race but I would not support any class race that had buy backs. With the purse they have and the entry fee what it is all they need is 46 cars to make the payout. You would sure think that for $5000 to win you could get more than 46 cars to show up.

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IHRA S/SS is Bracket racing. You just have to tow further and pay more to win less than your backyard bracket race. They hire a couple of guys to weigh you and check your fuel so it seems like its more than a footbrake race, but its not. This race is the exception to the rule as far as payout goes, but it isn't going to change the way IHRA views us. Its a 2 class bracket race to them, footbrake and handbrake. So, if you have a good footbrake or handbrake car, this looks like a good race if your in the area.

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I dont think anyone who isnt coming to MIR for this race for one reason or the other will be missed. Its your choice and still a free country....I think.

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Novadude,
You and your post could be the poster child of why drag racing died.
Only need 46 cars to pay the purse.
Don't you guys realize there are more expense involved than just paying the purse. You sounded just like a typical saturday night bracket racer with that comment.
Chip Johnson

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That's funny. I think Cal originally made this post to do a roll call for the race, not to open up a forum for people to moan and whine about the things they don't like about the race. Sounds to me like a lot of people need to read Bambi again (If you have nothing nice to say......).

That being said Lisa, Mike and Myself will all be there. I am hoping for a great turnout. Wouldn't it be great if this race could become something we all looked forward to every year? How often do we all get a chance to run at a top notch facility for a healthy purse, with National event contingency?
As Beard said, if you don't like buybacks, DON'T buyback. But not coming to this race BECAUSE of the buybacks is just a copout.

I say we all show up and make it a party! After all, we can't forget the real reason we all race --- FUN. I invite anyone to come by my trailer and have a cold one with me to celebrate the awesome opportunity that IHRA and MIR are giving us.

Eddie Bolton

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Sounds like a fun race with an outstanding payout.But could someone tell me the reason for buybacks in the Stock/SS classes?Two reasons are fattening the pot,which a)helps to guarantee the full payout b)potential profit for IHRA/Track owner.Not really a bad thing but buybacks have been the signature of big buck bracket races.Just some thoughts.

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I am fully aware that it takes more than the purse to put on a race. If you get enough cars to cover the purse you are still going to make money off of the crew passes and spectators. I hope it is a great success. But I am sure the rules will keep some purist from showing up.

In my mind drag racing is two cars go down and one comes back.

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I'm with ya on that Eddie, See you all there