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How would you like to pair up the class elimination pairs in Indy this year? I think it should be a Pro Ladder... What do you guys think?

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Usually the higher qualified car before 1st round of class gets the bye if there is one, then the majority rules on how to pair up. I like taking a deck of cards with pairs for as many competitors as there are in the class. Then the 2s run each other and so on. This is the Al Corda method. It seems to work out very well. If someone has had a bye, they aren't eligible for another bye until everyone has had one.

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Line up and whine. I like that. A funny story. Last time I ran my 69 super bee in C/SA, I just drove to the front as I was the slowest out of 13 cars. It didn't matter and it was in the way of beer drinking. Everyone was so focused on drawing numbers, getting position, I was just sitting there and they forgot about me. I almost had the bye, but cooler heads prevailed and someone beat the stuffing out of me. It was different last year with the DP.

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Now there is an understatement! Jim

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Jeff, should I get out the violin and play a sad song?

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Maybe if you played for my old car I might still have it. Where was all that concern then? I guess it's ok for me to get whipped, but not the opposite.

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If you whip somebody with almost anything but a DP or CJ then you would get some Respect, But you'll get none with this type of car unless your running against one of the same!!!!!!!

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I too carry a deck of cards in the race car just for this occasion.

The ladder system (sportsman or pro) only benefits the fastest cars in qualifying prior to class elims.
If you are not the fastest, there is a chance of the fastest two cars running rd 1, thus eliminating the fact that a slower car would have to upset two cars instead of 1. The upsets at Indy (holeshots, etc.) make Class elims at Indy a "Don't Miss" day.

Don't mess with a good thing!.... it ain't broke! (don't fix it!)

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So it's ok for an old car to have a hp advantage over the field, but not a new car. Interesting theory. Bob Dennis will be happy to know that.

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Jeff, not sure it's gonna matter this year,.. for you. Everybody's gonna be "hiding" and you're going to end up a single ... in the combo Class Eliminator . JB.

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I suspect we will see a few more hits for the new cars this year.....maybe even the ours...lol

What if you had a brother in the same class....I wouldn't want to leave it up to a draw of a card whether I ran him 1st round....lol. A ladder would be nice......

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One question.
Do we not run via ladder for eliminations??
PB Candies
4312 SS/STK

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Bailey, I'm gonna sneak up there is some class between AA and G, nobody knows, not even me. By the way I am starting a new sanction called OHRA, short for Obama Hot Rod Association. It will all be CIC. We gonna refine it down to where nobody wins cause everyone will be the same. So quit working on your car. I have done it all for you.

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Jeff, if you had done that about three years ago the slow guys would not have had to buy DPs to get fast. LOL

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Jeff, maybe you can call it the hedge fund mangers class where you only pay 15% in taxes and the rest of us pay 35%.

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Interesting....lots of Pro Ladder votes.....

there will be a fair amount of sandbagging in qualifying anyway....so it won't be a true picture of who's fast....be nice to see a few hundred votes.... and see what it says...

Rock Haas
ss/ca
I may be in the combo anyway...with the cruiser...lol

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Off the subject, but why do those clowns only pay 15%?? I used to pay 50%. I'd like 15%.

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Get out the ole pill bottle and draw #'s........1 runs 2 , 3 runs 4, ect....................

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drawing straws, number out of a hat , deck of cards it seems the easiest way to cut out the nonsense.

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Paul, that is probably what will have to be done. Any schedule will be by the racers anyway. And in the past, there were no byes for no shows in sportsman, but that may have changed at least in the AH class. Nitro knows more than anyone else.

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F/X cars race each other and then MAYBE a nhra factored" right "car could meet a nhra-F/X-car in the finals--Really who cares until the H/P is right on all cars or at least close to what they should be! Go Buckwheat-:cool:

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It does not matter who runs who. Either I'm in the way or your in the way!! Lets race, I'm easy, for I have no new parts.

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When I went to Indy a few years ago, I had the other drivers of the cars in my class flip a coin to see who got me 1st round!

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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remember Rock if you do a ladder , better have the cars paired up before you get to the lanes and one guy not wanting to do it, NHRA will tell you to line up and run cause they will not do a ladder or pair you up.
Been there tried it

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Drawing straws,or picking numbers from a hat is the way its been done for many years at Indy.Usually the fast guy will get the bye if there is one.Half the guys are sandbagging by 2 or 3 tenths anyway so why make a ladder!

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No more additional ladders! Deck of cards orjust whine'm up

Ernie Neal
SS3400

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I'm starting to think...just line em up...there is really no logic needed...like what was stated earlier...half the guys are sandbagging anyway....lol

Rock Haas

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Wow,it took 16 posts before anyone mentioned the dreaded word "sandbagging".I guess there's so much rage against the new cars clear thinking goes out the window.
I guess NHRA likes this "class warfare". between the haves and have nots.It takes the pressure off the Glendora Gang to have the HP factors put in line.
If everybody feels so strong about these cars it seems they have some options.
1)Try to hop your car up in class and hope you have enough to make the 128 car field.
2)Sit out class and just try to make the final 128.
3)Stay home and beat up the dog/wife/kids
In other words take your wrath out on the REAL culprits the manufacturers and,sorry
Jack,the suits in Glendora,not you fellow racers.And yes,I'm not going to Indy,never have and probably never will.

Jeff,why don't you bring the old car and make a lot of people happy.I'm sure your
popularity rating would soar.:>):>):>):>)

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Ed, like I have said, I didn't change, I only changed cars cause everybody beat the crap out of me. What's different? I still drink the same beer, and still tell the same lies.

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Will Nitro Joe be doing the ladders and pairings? He gets it and understands the program (not to mention likeable). We don't have a preference how the pairings should go down but all options presented has it's teeth. I read earlier where the officials won't wait and will do the easiest to get everyone in pairs. Don't blame them. They have enough to do so let's make this fun and efficient. Vote for JOE!

EMS

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x2! Probably won't happen though. Too many don't want them.

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It only takes 1 person who insists on time to get his motor down to 40 degrees or simply doesn't like the ladder to muck it up...

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Sounds like the whiners are winning. No surprise there.

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Jeff, who is whining about the pairings?

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Ed, the rules vary by lane. Most classes really try to have some kind of ladder, either by cards, pills, numbers in a hat, but it's always a rush and the NHRA lane guys are hollering to get to the line. As you are aware there are some real lolleygaggers out there, and pulling numbers, cards etc. is almost impossible since everyone ain't there. There are some professional lollygaggers and also some broke-trying-to-fix, hot-trying-to-kool guys and gals also. So it's a cluster in the lanes. On the other hand, if a ladder is created, say a sportsman ladder, if only one guy don't like his first round draw (cause he don't like the sandbagging, driver, lane,weather etc) , he opts out and it's all over cause he probably got the bad guy and has nothing to lose by whining. Also if a ladder is created such as A/SA and say they got 18 folks running. Say the first round guy wins, but breaks the car, one would think the next round opponent gets a bye. Not so in Sportsman, according to the powers that be. I think the SS/AH guys get special dispensation on that, but I don't think the rest of us lowly guys do. So the ladder is done in round 2. On the odd numbered classes say 7 in the class, most of the time the field designates the bye to the fastest guy. Not always. If the same complaining guy still don't like his draw, then he wants to draw for the bye. And it's early in the morning, there are many more. Ed, you don't quite know lollygagging, since you are normally first.

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I've run class at Indy many times. In every case we have drawn numbers and everything works out very well. The new cars will just have to run each other if they draw matching numbers. This poll should be in the racers only section.

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I'll be out there and I'll either be in the parents pit area (Scratcher Super class cars) or the Rich South pits as I'll be on the "Over the Hill Ohio Gang" tour again in Bowling Green then on to Indy.
But let me know the night before class and we can have a ladder made.
Like I said before we need to have everybody on same page as when you get to lanes they are not going to wait on us to get you paired up.

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Joe getting everybody on the same page will probably be a huge problem. Generally, the rules state that the racers shall determine the match ups or by flip of a coin if there is any controversy. There are a large number of racers who want to draw a number/card or flip a coin. This ladder discussion is not what it appears to be. I think there has been one instance of a racer not being able to get through the bottleneck in the lanes and missing his class race. With this one exception, the lane crews will not "pull" a lane of class cars out to race until all the cars are accounted for. Also, drawing numbers/cards or flipping a coin in the lanes is part of the excitement of running class.

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Ask Bucky about "all being accounted for". They left him in the traffic even though the lane folks had him there.

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I didn't mention his name on purpose and his is the only case that I can remember. But it really doesn't have any thing to do with the way we pair cars.