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They're all V/8s (almost), they're all just slightly heavier than a Happy Meal and they're all decent but not particularly easy, cheap or even realistic! Any more that you can think of?
72 Gremlin 304/180 O/SA at 2870#.
63 Falcon 260/158 P/S at 2695# (I'm thinking 4 speed because of block bp)
81 Mustang 255/150 Q/SA at 2720# (auto only)
65 Valiant 273/165 P/S or auto at 2810#
65 Valiant 273/210 J/S or auto at 2795# (Edelbrock intake!)
65 Chevy II 283/170 P/S or auto at 2890#
65 Chevy II 283/223 I/SA at 2845# (stick heavier)
Now some orphans
62 Buick Special 215/185 K/S at 2575# (4V and aluminium engine, might have to be stick)
63 Olds Jetfire 215/215 J/S at 2855# ( turbo and factory alcohol injection, Jericho, 2 step and pop pop, bang bang, hang on!)
62 Pontiac Tempest 195/166 P/S at2825# ( not a V/8 but 1/2 of a good one with 4V)

Any that I missed?

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Bill,not a flyweight but a featherweight.

Willie Pep.

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Born in Middletown ,Ct, one day after my dad. They became friends later on, as my dad was a member of the Stagehands Union, and would run into Willie here and there.

Now back to our program :

I think Billy covered most of the V-8 's .

I'll work on that, but meanwhile, 1979 Monza 196 Buick V-6 , 2700 # w / driver in the bottom 6 cyl class.

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How about the 72 302 2V Maverick in Q@2750 or P@2590??

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Now that would be cool!

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You mean Q@2924 or P@2762....Which you might actually have a chance to make the car weigh... I'd like to see a 302 Mav weigh 2600 with the interior in it like the 71' is listed for O or 2519 @N.. fat chance....

Without doing the research on the others how possible is it to get the original combos listed down to these feather light weights?? the 71' Mav has a bogus shipping weight listing if you look at all the other years.. No one claims a 71' cause you can't get light enough to take atvantage.....

Brad

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64 Chevy II 283/220/229 G/S or G/SA 2689 lbs w/driver 2682 shipping wt.
64 Valiant 273/180/165 O/S or O/SA 2645 lbs w/driver 2714 shipping wt
64 Dodge Dart 273/180/165 O/S or O/SA 2645 lbs w/driver 2774 shipping wt
64 Falcon 260/164/164 O/S or O/SA 2630 lbs w/driver 2717 shipping wt (Should be 158 like the 63)
64 Mercury Comet 289/210/200 L/S or L/SA 2938 lbs w/driver 2877 shipping wt

My favorite, but not competitive:
64 Shelby Cobra 289/271/271 AA/S 2202 lbs w/driver 2173 shipping wt

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[QUOTE=Dwight Southerland

My favorite, but not competitive:
64 Shelby Cobra 289/271/271 AA/S 2202 lbs w/driver 2173 shipping wt[/QUOTE]

Now that would be cooler than words could say!

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Holy .....sh*^ can that even get that lite ??

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Billy we need more specific criteria. 2 or 4 barrel? under 3000 lbs. with driver?

1979 Buick Regal E/SA 350/287 Quadrajet = 3040 with driver

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Aluminum body and a frame lighter than tissue paper, the only thing lighter than the car will be your wallet!
One of those cars would make a Drag pak or Mustang look cheap!

Billy, I used to have one of those Gremlin 304's back around '74, in 40 years of working on AMC'S , I only saw 2 others.
It definatly has possibilities.

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1979 Cutlass 260/135 = U/SA 2870 w/driver
1977 Monza 305/180= O/SA 2870 w/driver ( I find one for under $500 and I'm all in!)

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There was a company that built a run of aftermarket bodies and frames out of aluminum. I think they came out of Russia, A local guy bought 2 of them for a pretty decent price. He has one done with a 427 and drives the crap out of it.
Now since IHRA allows us to use fiberglass instead of the lightweight parts maybe they would allow a fiberglass cobra? Hmmmm

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I always wondered why I never saw anyone try a Feather Duster. Is that model locked into a slant six?

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Feather Dusters and Dart Lites were made only in 1976 and only with 6 cyl. engines. But the lighter hood, trunk and bumpers will interchange with some earlier years.

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Aluminum frame and body! Back in the day, SCCA racers actually had to ADD weight to get them to spec! JIm:rolleyes:

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Myron, these are the cars that came from the factory with the aluminum trannys (3 speed w/ overdrive) and 8.75 chunk!!! My dad had one. (Feather Duster) in white with a vinyl roof! Jim:eek:

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They came from Poland and the frames were steel.........really cool cars!

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Nope.....I doubt that very much.

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The company is based in Provo, Utah. They sent a real Cobra body to be copied and manufactured. However, they are assembled and finished in the USA.

http://www.cobracountry.com/kirkham/...mfeature2.html

http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/

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Can anyone show me documentation that verifies the use of a D4B intake on these cars? I see a revision on the tech sheet with a casting number now listed, but the number given is the original cast iron intake.

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I think its a "Flim Flam" like the 67 Shelby Mustang stuff. My friend had a 273/235 HP 'Cuda when new and we never saw an Edelbrock DB-4 intake on any Valiants, Darts, or 'Cudas of any of those related years around Md. Capitol Raceway or Aquasco, etc. Even the Bob Banning Dodge D/Dart had a cast iron intake. BUT if NHRA says its good ta Go then who would say different.

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Dwight, the intake # is a new addition to the specs page. Looks like they finally fixed something right.

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Dwight, I think the D4B intake came on the 'D' dart along with a Racer Brown camshaft and was Super Stock only. Maybe someone tried to circumvent the 'no swap engine parts' from the rule book.

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Arnold....The "D" Darts only came with the cast iron intake that the 273/235 HP engine had with the throttle plate bores bored out by Chrysler to use the larger Holley carb. What ever has been allowed in later years has been done the same way the 67 Shelby got its updated parts.

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That's a very cool car. I really have a soft spot in my heart for the "oddballs".

It doesn't have much to do with being a class car, but your interior description reminded me of a Hang 10 that ran around this area for years. It, along with another owner's Mod Top Barracuda were two cars that rusted to the ground before any one cared to save them.

Though the smog and insurance were problems back then, I wish that Mopar had been as creative in performance as they were in special editions.

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I remember my buddies sister bought a new feather duster. The biggest attration? the blinker lights went "tickle-dink, tickle-dink" sounded different than ANY other cars blinkers. To a 11-12 year old it was pretty funny.
LOL, the stupid stuff you remember years later...LOL

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Well, I have a problem with that assumption. The casting number 2465726 listed for the 1965 273 4-bbl is a cast iron manifold, unless the Chrysler version of the D4B manifold was cast with the same number.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e2...hry2465726.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ry24657262.jpg

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It was a long time ago, but the photo that Dwight posted looks like the stock intake that was OE on my 65 273/235HP 4 speed 65 Valiant. I did buy an Edelbrock D4B intake for it, but I understand that there were 2 different versions of the D4B. Mine was purchased at a local speed shop, and had no MoPar part number, but I have seen a few D4Bs with a MoPar part number cast into it. I don`t know if that was a factory optional intake, or if it was simply a over the counter item.

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A56 -

That's the story that has gone around, but the intake manifold casting number on NHRA's Tech Bulletin is the cast iron intake shown in the pictures on my last post. So I am questioning that the D4B has been accepted. If they can run it with no documentation, then that opens up a whole new set of worms. But, if the factory issued D4B has that same casting number, that's a different story. Does anyone know what casting number was put on the factory D4B?

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The D4B is not on the list. Only the LD4B which is a later manifold. There are all sorts of mainfold numbers listed if you look. When i built the car there was no manifold number listed. Another racer got this through and with the 283 getting a 300hp manifold which picked those cars up huge I dont see the harm at this point. We are going to whine ourselves into extinction shortly. In light of all of the other bogus vehicles as a whole that are out there, this is a dead issue and has no effect on anyone as my valiant on its best day wont come within 6 - 7 tenths of the 281 cobra jet and my car has had everything possible thrown at it.

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Paul -
You have to know that I'm not whining. It's just that if that manifold is accepted, then it should be published so everybody can use it. Without the documentation, it will be hard to get it through tech in some divisions. I believe the original casting number in the LD4B from MoPar was 2836139. I don't know that MoPar ever offered the D4B with a factory casting number. I wish it were accepted for all the 273s, not just the '65.

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The D4B and many LD4B manifolds either have no part number or partial numbers so beware on that one. It should be applied 65 - 67 but like I said I had nothing to do with it getting it approved. The combination is an interesting and promising but is certainly no dime rocket let me tell you that from experience.

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Now if they would just let us have the carb to go with that 283 intake

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Paul,
Do you know what intake is on Bushmaker's car?

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With all of the recently de-factored FFFFord 302s starting to hit the tracks, maybe it's time to take another look at the flyweights. Maybe it's time to take another look at some other mid 70s combos that have been given HP and were never competitive too! It would seem to me that the 302 thing should open up some doors to get HP back on a bunch of 304s, 318s, 305s, 307s and maybe even some 289s and 283s with 2V carbs.
Maybe some well-placed e-mails to Pat C could do the trick!

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Great thread ....Accentuates the weakness/strength of the tech guide. SOOO many combos no chance of successful tech evaluations to set the standards for HP etc. Really fun to dream up unknowns and be a high qualifier for low budget.

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I now have one of the FFFFord 302's. This needs to happen. Lower the HP on all those engines. Give these old cars a new life. How many cars are setting in peoples driveway, carport, garage that with some tweeking, would make "great" race cars. Of course, what we are considering a race car and what many others see, is a different animal. Might just allow some new people to get into Stock! I see a new run on the Salvage Yard's.

I purely stumbled into the 78 Mustang II, otherwise it would have never been on my radar. Just hope I'm smart enough to ferret out some of it's potential. Even with a soft combo, still have to learn how to make it work. Last time I messed with a SBF was the same year this car was sold new. OTOH, sure would be a hoot to start seeing a boatload of these types of cars show up at the track.

Speaking to bringing back Modified Production. Sounds like a great idea. Who could afford it? I couldn't 35 years ago. Just like Super Modified, the ship sailed long ago. You could resurrect the class but only those with very deep pockets could compete.

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Pretty light combo is the 327 275 hp 66 Nova in D stick 2775. We can make weight, well maybe not after thanksgiving....

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Penny is driving your old E/FS Sunbird @2295.