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After second qualifier 16 of top 20 cars are new cars.

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And that 16 are not even running them hard.

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Wow Ed, what a resemblance of you. Who would've thought ???? lol

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Super Stock too.

I suspect 9.30's are the result of running them fairly hard. Maybe the 9.70's are 'bagging.

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That's my cousin Squiggy.He was going to indy with his A/SA Peugoet but didn't because of the DPs and Mustangs.Saved him a lot of tow money from Bum F*#k Egypt.

BTW the bump is .544 in Stock after two.

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I'm still (constantly) confused..............

Everyone runs for Class Eliminations but only the 128 quickest against their index run for Stock Eliminator? So is it possible that someone could win their class but not qualify for Stock Eliminator??

I know it's a slim possibility but..............

Lew
(enjoying the Thursday PA audio broadcast very much!)

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Yep !

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How bout Dave Barton 1.32 under .
Maybe he will step on it next time.lol

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DRC posting Stock qualifying by class is awesome! I don't remember them doing it in previous years.

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Oh sure! It happened many times in the last few years. Silly, very silly. Jim

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I actually won H/SA class last year at Indy and ended up like 150th qualifier. Also, when I was on the scales after class I was picked for tear down but they ended up telling us we did not have to tear down after they realized I was not qualified.

Matt

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I just have to ask...........................did you at least get enough decal $ for the class win to cover the inflated entry for the race??

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How many cars were in your class?

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This is an add on for this year, Fast News is helping us with the Laddering for class.
Thanks to Rick and Larry

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I remember years ago the "TRADITIONAL" classy racers crying about crate motors in IHRA. They would'nt go to IHRA division 9 because the top 15 would be Crate Motors.
Same Game Different Names.
Chip

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x-2

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Sorry ,Dave Barton

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Chip,IHRA did the same thing NHRA did with the new cars.They allowed combinations in that were grossly underfactored,hosing those who had years and a lot of money developing their combos.Granted,IHRA needed these cars to survive.
It seems like NHRA had other motives allowing these cars in at the factors they assigned to them.And now,after three time shots,the top 20 being comprimised of 17 new cars you see the results.
So what's the point?

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At least IHRA fixed the problem and didnt rely on a racer controlled screwed up system like the so called AHFS. NHRA wont even TRY to correct the HP factor problem. To much $$$$$ involved.

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Hey Terry, remember when i tried to get NHRA to accept the LT4 in the Firehawk and SS Camaro, now look at what they allow, i guess it's all in who you know! $$$$

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and heck Woodro, I've SEEN a real LT4 firebird. I know that it existed, granted it was a stick car but still.

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You went to the wrong person. I wasnt privy to any of the behind the curtain decisions and didnt hear about it. I could have gotten something done at that time. Now its time to enjoy retirement time. Enjoy like I try to do.

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P.S. to my last post. At least with the crate motored combos the triditional stock cars didnt have to run the crate motored cars HEADS UP in the eliminator or during class. It only affected the qualifying positions and from that point on it was a bracket race.

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And not only that...
... but also it's worth pointing out that my 5.9L DragPak is rated *50* HP less than my 360 Magnum crate motor was. And the *crate* motor was grossly underfactored?? I'm sorry, but there's no serious comparison between IHRA Crate Motor and the DP's/CJ's.

I glanced at qualifying from the recent national event from Martin, MI. Highest qualified crate motor car was 12th, three tenths behind the top qualifier.

It's also interesting to me how easy it was for NHRA to "change the conversation" by knocking .30 off the indexes. Even though we all know that they were changed .30, still, you look at IHRA qualifying from Martin, and it looks crazy to see the Top 5 cars all -1.20 under or better... but in NHRA-speak, that's only -.90 under, and we glaze over it. -1.000 under is the new -1.300 under. ....You've already got 7 cars at Indy -1.40 under the "old" indexes!

The last year they had the "old" indexes, it took -1.002 under to get in (-.702 under the new indexes) Interesting that Wade Owens has run the same 11.86 as he did two years ago, currently 22nd vs 7th in 2009.

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IHRA did the right thing when they saw these cars running away in qualifying.I guess when ,and this is only conjecture,you're in a manufacture's pocket you can't correct
"mistakes" veryeasily.
And Michael you're analogy about the .30 under is a moot point.You make the final 128 or you don't.
I guess NHRA and the manufactures got what they wanted,domination of the qualifying
sheet in S/SS.

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They are missing the boat on this one by not giving the new cars their on classes. We would be here talking about the numbers they put up against each other as well as some of the other s/ss numbers. Look at some of the cars not there where are the max wedges?

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Challengers and Mustangs in their own class, for one weekend at least:

http://www.nhradiv1.com/content/divn...7200&zoneid=12

August 30, 2011



P C Richard & Son presents

American Muscle Stock Eliminator Class

Heads Up Racing



October 13-16, 2011

PA Dutch Classic Presented by Sony/PCRichard.com

Maple Grove, PA



Designation – AM/S

Index - 10.50



Mustang and Drag Pack cars will run in a different class for the class eliminations runoff.



These cars will stay in that class for event eliminations after class runoff



Weight for this event will be different from published NHRA class guide.



These runs will not count for the AHFS system



– Invitational – Pre-Entry and acceptance required – No Gate Entries

Pre Enter to – blang@nhra.com - Technical questions to rcampbell@nhra



$500 Winner - $250 Runner up

plus a $500 PC Richard & Son Gift Certificate to the winner, $250 Gift Certificate to the runner-up and a $100 Gift Certificate to each semi-finalist.



Event Funds provided by

Gary Richard – PC Richard and Son

Jack Matyas – Bethlehem Auto Sales

Al Smyth – Porta Tree

Kent Hanley – Reivis Financial

Anthony Bongiovanni – Micro Strategies



American Muscle Stock Class Heads-Up Racing



The following combinations to be permitted to compete in a heads-up eliminator – with invitation

Min Wt w/driver

Auto Man

08 Ford Mustang 330/425 3550 3730

10 Ford Mustang 330/435 3695 3770

10 Ford Mustang 428/375 3080 2980

12 Ford Mustang 330/450 3725 3800



09 Dodge Challenger 370/385 3200 3100

10 Dodge Challenger 370/390 3200 3100

10 Dodge Challenger 392/375 3200 3100

11 Dodge Challenger 512/450 3590 3490

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Why bother going......a Max Wedge dosent stand a chance. Save your travel and entry money in hopes that the situation will change soon. Or just enjoy a very expensive BS session with your friends at Indy and other races.

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Just another way to keep the new cars from getting hit with the AHFS.

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Maybe a light will go off in someones head and the news will travel to Glendora?
Nah not in this lifetime with the present regieme.After all,the index races that Pat ran should have given someone a clue.

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What a joke!

It's CORRUPTION.

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Larry,what's wrong with this format,given that NHRA has refused to acknowledge a problem with the factoring on these cars.It's a race in a race,like the CIC race at No Problem.If I read it correctly these cars will stay in their own class,so if you decide to come East you won't have to run them heads up.You can ride up on your golf cart and discuss the situation with Bob Lang in person if you wish.Maybe that could be the start of
remedying the situation.Won't know if you don't try.

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No Larry/Patsy its not. And its not a way to stop them from getting HP. Its a die-hard S/SS racer supporting other options for class at the Dutch. If you see Gary R. at Indy, you should walk up and shake his hand to thank him for all his does in support of S/SS class racing.

We had Top Stock and Jr. Stock for several years, and it may be making a comeback as I think they ran it again at ATCO. Now we have a new car shoot out where they can race each other and not the older cars. Wasn't everyone, including you, screaming to put them in their own class? For one race they have their own class and now its corruption to stop them from getting HP? Please.

I don't agree with all the D1 decisions, but when they allow these types of shootouts and additional classes at Opens, it is very exciting to race and watch. MG will actually have fans in the stands for the HEMI shoot out and this new car shootout and probably offer a car load deal to advertise it.