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Casey Miles 09-01-2011 03:36 PM

Kudos to Ford
 
I'm disappointed with the Mopar racecars, two of them that I know of broke with serious problems, yet the Fords stayed together. You have to give Ford credit for building a reliable piece that goes very fast in any class you put them. I thought that the V-10's would show their muscle, but the Fords just trumped them.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

Chad Rhodes 09-01-2011 03:41 PM

Re: Kudos to Ford
 
No replacement for artificial atmosphere.

Troy Pourciau 09-01-2011 04:04 PM

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I'm a GM guy but Casey is right. The Ford engines stay together even with blowers on them... LOL

Chad Rhodes 09-01-2011 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Troy Pourciau (Post 279408)
I'm a GM guy but Casey is right. The Ford engines stay together even with blowers on them... LOL

might wanna ask Bill Skillman about that, but i heard it was self inflicted

Tom P 09-01-2011 04:28 PM

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The Mod Motor seems to do OK, not a SS car but 6.19 at 235 is stout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86uLwXstuWQ

And that's not even the big 5.4 the CJ has, it's the smaller 4.6 with a factory block, crank and heads.

Sean Cour 09-01-2011 04:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 279409)
might wanna ask Bill Skillman about that, but i heard it was self inflicted

Chad, didn't Skillman stand it way up? Might have hit the pan or starved it of oil?

Alan Roehrich 09-01-2011 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Cour (Post 279416)
Chad, didn't Skillman stand it way up? Might have hit the pan or starved it of oil?

He stood it up twice, and dropped it, twice in consecutive qualifying rounds. He spun the tires hard in his third qualifying shot. Then in the first round, his opponent went red and he spun the tires even harder, then drove it through, it blew up about 900' and shut the track down for about an hour or so in the middle of round one.

Capri 09-01-2011 09:28 PM

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The oil pump pick up broke off. When that happened it burned it up and left a quater sized hole in the pan. There was oil completely covering under the car, and all over the rear end of the car.

Glad to see they took the time the change motors and go race this weekend.

novassdude 09-01-2011 09:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey Miles (Post 279401)
I'm disappointed with the Mopar racecars, two of them that I know of broke with serious problems, yet the Fords stayed together. You have to give Ford credit for building a reliable piece that goes very fast in any class you put them. I thought that the V-10's would show their muscle, but the Fords just trumped them.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

When you get to run comp style motors that are way under rated it is not hard to go fast in lots of classes.

Damn Yankee 09-01-2011 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 279505)
When you get to run comp style motors that are way under rated it is not hard to go fast in lots of classes.

There's nothing Comp Style about a manley shelf rod, regular forged pistons, and steel valves. If these things wore Bowties, it would be like chirping crickets when it comes to all of the hating going on

Damn Yankee 09-01-2011 10:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom P (Post 279413)
The Mod Motor seems to do OK, not a SS car but 6.19 at 235 is stout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86uLwXstuWQ

And that's not even the big 5.4 the CJ has, it's the smaller 4.6 with a factory block, crank and heads.

Tom, John & George Klass have been tweaking that 4.6 Mod Combo for several years now. You wouldn't know it based off the ET's they lay down, but they use the Ford OEM Factory Cobra block which has been reinforced, stock lifters and valvetrain pieces, and factory ported heads

Alan Roehrich 09-01-2011 10:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee (Post 279510)
There's nothing Comp Style about a manley shelf rod, regular forged pistons, and steel valves. If these things wore Bowties, it would be like chirping crickets when it comes to all of the hating going on


Keep dreaming. It is not just the GM racers who are unhappy.

Alan Roehrich 09-01-2011 10:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Capri (Post 279495)
The oil pump pick up broke off. When that happened it burned it up and left a quater sized hole in the pan. There was oil completely covering under the car, and all over the rear end of the car.

Glad to see they took the time the change motors and go race this weekend.

What broke it? And when? Because it was sitting on the starting line, he spun the tires real hard, and stayed on it until it let go. There was never even any sort of remotely violent move.

johnny shot 09-01-2011 10:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey Miles (Post 279401)
I'm disappointed with the Mopar racecars, two of them that I know of broke with serious problems, yet the Fords stayed together. You have to give Ford credit for building a reliable piece that goes very fast in any class you put them..... Casey Miles
248H Stock

From what I know about engines, you have to run them hard to break them. Give em 10 years or so when the AFHS catches up and see how well they stay together.

Capri 09-01-2011 11:12 PM

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Alan, He assumed the couple of wheelstands and bouncing around. You could see through the hole in the pan it was off. Dont know if they have a light that says "HEY DUMMY" or not in there. I dont think it would have helped save the bottom end from burning up though. Kinda needed some oil flow. I was more curious to see what put the hole in the pan.

Alan Roehrich 09-01-2011 11:19 PM

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The question is, did it fall off first, or did it get knocked off when the engine broke? The only way to know if it fell off first was if he knew it did not have oil pressure.

Sean Cour 09-02-2011 12:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 279517)
What broke it? And when? Because it was sitting on the starting line, he spun the tires real hard, and stayed on it until it let go. There was never even any sort of remotely violent move.

Alan, I thought you said he stood it up twice, before finally blowing it up? Maybe he smacked the pan, leading to the pick up being broken off?

Alan Roehrich 09-02-2011 01:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Cour (Post 279572)
Alan, I thought you said he stood it up twice, before finally blowing it up? Maybe he smacked the pan, leading to the pick up being broken off?


Sean, he stood it up twice, one time in each of his first two time trials. Then the third time trial he spun. The next pass was the first round, his opponent went red, then he spun, and drove it through wide open until it let go around 900 feet or so. If it fell off during or after one of the times he stood it up, he would have had low or no oil pressure for the third time trial and the first round of eliminations.

KMachine 09-02-2011 08:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee (Post 279512)
Tom, John & George Klass have been tweaking that 4.6 Mod Combo for several years now. You wouldn't know it based off the ET's they lay down, but they use the Ford OEM Factory Cobra block which has been reinforced, stock lifters and valvetrain pieces, and factory ported heads


I think the only work, Geo does is answer the phone. Any building or tweaking is done by,John.

KMachine 09-02-2011 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 279514)
Keep dreaming. It is not just the GM racers who are unhappy.

Alan, why are you not at Indy?

Chad Rhodes 09-02-2011 11:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 279591)
Sean, he stood it up twice, one time in each of his first two time trials. Then the third time trial he spun. The next pass was the first round, his opponent went red, then he spun, and drove it through wide open until it let go around 900 feet or so. If it fell off during or after one of the times he stood it up, he would have had low or no oil pressure for the third time trial and the first round of eliminations.

that was kinda my point as well Sean. Along with the fact that IF he bounced it off the rev limiter that can't be good for a blower motor. I think the ford motors are pretty bulletproof, they've been making serious power out of the FI mod motors for almost a decade now. I'm pretty sure that even with the killer power they make in Stock/SS trim its not really stressing the motor compared to what some are doing with them. Hence why i said it might be self inflicted


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