The most valuable stocker running at Indy.
 

What do you think is the stocker that is running at Indy this weekend that is worth the most?

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Thats easy...................
The one that wins the real race on Monday!!

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Greg, I think the number one qualifier would bring the most money.... The Barton Hemi.

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Hear that Mopar doesn't want to help in tear down

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Mr. Bobby, Why are you not in Indy... My dad needed some help cooling down his car.... LOL No but seriously why didnt you geaux ?

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Business would not allow it.. It is killing me 20 plus years Hell damn old camaro could run .70 under. Maybe Pontiac could run that much under ???????????????????

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Ben & Dave Wenzel's 1967 Z28. With its race history, low production numbers, original owner, all original paperwork, etc. Would easily bring over $200K at auction.

Jerry

#1710, D/Stock

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I'm thinking you're right on, with this one Jerry, I agree with you.
By the way,,congrats on your win.
Danny Durham

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That was what I was thinking too. Ben's 67 Z-28 & a real Z-28 @ that.... worth a lot of $$$$$$

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X's 2 on that.

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I'm liking it!

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How about Hawks original Shelby GT500?? Thats got to worth some good coin.

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Its not a real one !

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Jerry, it didn't take you long to figure that out. A 67 original Z28 that has virtually no miles and won Indy in 1967.

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Right on Greg. Only 602 were produced. I run the national registry on these cars and only 213 have been found since I started it back in 1988.

Hawk's car is a recreation, like they say at Barrett Jackson.

Jerry

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And I might add owned and raced by two of the nicest guys around in Dave and Ben.

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Who told you it wasnt a real one??

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I agree 100%. We all did dinner together last night with Timmy Bishop and Wayne Totaro.

Dave and Ben have helped me a lot over the years. If not for them, I would not hold the D/S national record with my new '67 Z28 race car. My car is also a real '67 Z28 in the original exterior and interior colors.

Jerry

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Bill told me and I saw it before it was built. It IS a nice recreation though. VERY NICE !

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Big Picture it's the Carp/Barton Challenger. That car will bring more cash flow/money into Barton Inc with work then Wenzel's car will do at any auction. Wenzel is still very cool car, just depends what your perception of valuable is....

Alex #5006 SS/DA

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I didn't ask which car would bring more work in for the owner, rather which car is the most valuable.

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It would have to be a "real" car like an original Max Wedge, Thunderbolt, Hemi car, 440-6, Z28, L88, etc.

My vote would be the 67 Z first and Bennet's 62 383 2x4 car second.

JimR

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Greg,Alex is right,it depends on what your perception of valuable is.Moneywise,sentimental value,etc.

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Didnt know that, I was told that it was an original.

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Hey, Overlooked car that would be worth quite a bit.
David Walther's 69 Camaro. That's an original Z-28 car too. Still has the T-3 Headlights in it.

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The only problem with the Wenzel or Walther cars, and probably the Max Wedges, Hemis and such, is that collectors that will pony up the big bucks want bumper to bumper originality, and are completely hung up on "numbers matching" crap. I would be amazed if either of the Z owners still have the OEM engines and transmissions. They probably broke that stuff decades ago.

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No factory 383 2x4 B=bodies in '62. Paper car, long story. That engine was available in the Chrysler 300's that year though.

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I respectfully disagree, the 62 Chrysler 300H was a 413 with inline 2 X 4bbl.
62 Chrysler 300 sport was standard with a 383 2bbl.

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I was going off of the info given to me by the person who helped put the combo in the guide.

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It was claimed to be a police car engine many many many years ago. No different than some of todays "Paper" combos.

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I think the value of Wenzels car would depend on how it was sold.
At Barret Jackson at 7pm on the Saturday with live TV and some celebrity hyping it may get twice as much as what the new Cobra Jets and V10 Challengers go for but put it in the classifieds it may be fifty grand.
As for most expensive car there for cost instead of value i wonder if anybody has more tied up in their cars than those new cars? What's the V10 Drag Pak cost anyways?

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Terry,

I've known about this argument for years and my question has always been that if the cars weren't built then why are there so many Chrysler 383 2x4 manifolds out there? I do know for a fact that there were some 62 Dodges and Plymouths that were ordered with the 413 with inline 2x4's....

JimR

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You know as well as I do that the 413 and the 383 are 2 different manifolds. The subject here is the 383/343 HP combo not the 413.

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If word got out that B. Wenzel was selling his car at auction, collectors would pay attention and find out when and where to bid. I am hired every year by my clients to do the BJ auction as I evaluate cars for purchase at that event.

I track these cars as it's what I do for a living. Some of the '67 Z28's with Trans Am history and no fame have sold for well over $300K when the economy was good. People are still paying well over $100K for a nicely restored '67 Z28 in this economy. Project '67 Z28's with no drive train and rusty as hell are selling for $60K and up.

Ben's provenance, paperwork (he has it all) and race history would do very well. He is also the only surviving original owner of a 1967 Z28. Everyone knows Ben and Dave and only 602 were built. It will also continue to increase in value as time goes on.

Jerry
D/Stock, #1710

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Every Mopar meet I go to you find at least one or two 383/343 manifolds, where did they come from.
Everything that I've heard also points toward that being a back door "police" option but why are so many around?

JimR

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If Ben's car is worth that much,I bet it will be worth a whole lot more if he goes on to win a pewter Wally at the 2011 U.S. Nationals!

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Jim, I see lots of them also at swap meets. I do remember the two police cars (small town called Seat Pleasant) where I grew up back in around 1965. They stll used a 4 door 62 Dodge and a 2 door 62 (Whew....Ugly) Plymouth. They were nice guys and I had my 425-S 65 Plymouth so we talked a lot when we saw each other. Had to check each other out....LOL. No I didnt get into trouble....LOL. Both of those cars were 383/343 HP cars with automatics. I would imagine if you knew how to order one it could be bought new in 62? I think some of the State Police guys used 413's and I saw one 62 Chevy409/380 HP 4 door Biscayne State car with a 3 speed on the column.

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the 383 343 manifold came on 361 and 383 cars from 1958 to 1961. It was used in many chrysler dodge plymouth and desoto models. They were put on many combinations. I believe the 1958 350 got this manifold as well. I have plenty of dyno time with this manifold. It is nothing special. It has been in the books for 45 plus years.

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Jason Mc Cormicks Hemi Car.
Priceless leaving the starting line!

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years ago the wenzel's still had the original motor...it gets my vote.

jack mccarthy

bert's wagon is worth the most at the recyclers !