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Jim Storms 10-01-2011 10:29 AM

Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Curious on the pan of choice for a smallblock mopar in a A body with stock K member and suspension. Superstock engine......

STK4340 10-01-2011 09:11 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
For comparison, I tried a super stock Milodon pan in which the center-link goes thru and also a Dakota pan; no difference in e.t...low 10's

Jim Storms 10-01-2011 10:29 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
don't want to mess with link, Dakota has been my first choice.

Ken Etter 10-02-2011 03:00 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
I think we have a milodon laying around and maybe a couple of aluminum pans with a pass thru if interested.

Jim Storms 10-02-2011 03:25 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Etter (Post 285759)
I think we have a milodon laying around and maybe a couple of aluminum pans with a pass thru if interested.

Thanks Ken, im really trying to avoid going trew the pan if all possible. im puttin the 318 from the avenger in our 71 Duster, ive never had any oiling issues since i got it from Bogner and would love to keep it that way. ill give you a call befor i head to Vegas and maybe you can bring one with! thanks Jim.

Phillip marvetz 10-02-2011 11:28 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
I just bought one of those Kevco pans for an A body, Looks pretty decent. I don't know about the fit yet though.

ScottHall 10-06-2011 07:35 AM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Jim,

What size engine is this?

Scott Hall
Moroso Performance

Jim Storms 10-06-2011 09:42 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottHall (Post 286462)
Jim,

What size engine is this?

Scott Hall
Moroso Performance

It's the 318 that was in my Avenger.

LXguy 10-08-2011 11:15 AM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
I've got a Kevko pan on my Dart with a 360 (they make a 318/340 as well). Its not a "through the pan" deal. I am running stock K-member, stock steering, etc.

Fits very well, has a drain plug at the top of the sump for easy "set on kill".

It fits Hooker Super Comp headers, though you can't use the higher drain plug with them as a tube is to close, but the lower one obviously still works. It fits regular Hooker Comps as well.

They are not adverse to "making it your way" if you want something different.

Its got trapdoors and good baffling. Maybe not the prettiest thing on earth, but you can't beat the price.

Make sure you clean it good before putting it on. There were a couple of (tiny) pieces of metal in mine.

www.kevkoracing.com

Good Luck

Jeff Teuton 10-08-2011 09:17 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
We could not get a Dakota on my 70 Duster. I think some of the a bodies moved the steering stuff, we use a Moroso 8 quart that we shortened 1" fits in front of the steering, and is even with the x member for the occasional wheel stand. I can tell you, the dakota pan with a couple quarts out is worth a tenth. Won't hurt nothing.

Jim Storms 10-08-2011 09:33 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 286852)
We could not get a Dakota on my 70 Duster. I think some of the a bodies moved the steering stuff, we use a Moroso 8 quart that we shortened 1" fits in front of the steering, and is even with the x member for the occasional wheel stand. I can tell you, the dakota pan with a couple quarts out is worth a tenth. Won't hurt nothing.

Jeff, i believe on the A bodies you have to finess the draglink, i have a Dakota on my Cuda and it works great, going to try one with the SS motor and see how it works.

Steve Hayward 02-06-2012 10:19 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
So what do I need to do to use a Dakota pan in my 69 Dart??? Is it better than my center sump Moroso????

jmcarter 02-07-2012 01:51 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Hayward (Post 308088)
So what do I need to do to use a Dakota pan in my 69 Dart??? Is it better than my center sump Moroso????

See Jeff's note, don't believe there is that much difference between a 70 Duster and a 69 Dart relative to where the draglink goes but could be wrong....can you measure between the rear seal and back of the draglink and one of use could tell you how much "finess" you might need to perform. Is it on a stocker or such that you don't want to go to a steering rack? If not that's the direction you might consider, simplifies everything.

Todd Boyer 02-07-2012 06:50 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
I was told in a small block A-body to use the Dakota pan and the old style biscuit mount K-member. The motor mounts must be switched to the front of the ears on the block. This moves the engine back about 1 1/2 inches and gives clearance for the Dak pan. Also, I was told to use the '73 - '76 A-body steering linkage with the center link tweaked a skosh so as to clear the pan. I haven't tried this yet, but it makes sense to me.

Steve Hayward 02-07-2012 06:59 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 308192)
See Jeff's note, don't believe there is that much difference between a 70 Duster and a 69 Dart relative to where the draglink goes but could be wrong....can you measure between the rear seal and back of the draglink and one of use could tell you how much "finess" you might need to perform. Is it on a stocker or such that you don't want to go to a steering rack? If not that's the direction you might consider, simplifies everything.

I don't want to go to a rack ...... (Can I?? in SS) It measures out now and looks like it will fit...... But I hear they can really restrict the turning radius.....

I already have the Dakota pan..... and I have a 10" deep center sump Moroso pan....

Which one to pick?????

George Mirza 02-07-2012 09:13 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Todd you are close, but you need the early centerlink, pitman arm and idler arm (72 or older), with the motor back as far as you can get it. Then everything needs to be bent down about and inch.
One problem is the Dakota pan won't fit on a 318 or 340 without modifing the rear main cap where the back of the pan seals. All the Dakota pans use the small radius seal on the back. The pre '91 LA motors (except 360's) use the large radius oil pan seal. I think the '91 up rear main cap will fit the older motors, but this needs to be changed before the motor is line bored.
It's a great little oil pan when you get it to fit. I'm still working on it.
George

Todd Boyer 02-07-2012 09:59 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Hey George, so are there any late steering parts that are needed? Tie rods and sleeves ??? Lower ball joints/steering arms ???

George Mirza 02-08-2012 08:50 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Todd,
From the centerlink out either old or new will work, but you need the early centerlink and arms. The early one sits on the top of the arms, nuts facing up, the later one the nuts face down centerlink sits under the arms. If you have them next to each other you can easily tell the difference.
George

Steve Hayward 02-08-2012 09:34 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by George Mirza (Post 308483)
Todd,
From the centerlink out either old or new will work, but you need the early centerlink and arms. The early one sits on the top of the arms, nuts facing up, the later one the nuts face down centerlink sits under the arms. If you have them next to each other you can easily tell the difference.
George

Would the later center link not sit down lower on the 73 design?

older racer 02-09-2012 12:06 AM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
hi, question, where do you buy or find center links? early or late model style?

George Mirza 02-09-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Hayward (Post 308489)
Would the later center link not sit down lower on the 73 design?

The later centerlink sits higher and farther back, it needs to go down and forward to clear the front of the sump. You can use it, but you need to bend the idler and pitman are quite a bit. All the cars I've seen have the early stuff on them.
George

George Mirza 02-09-2012 07:39 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by older racer (Post 308505)
hi, question, where do you buy or find center links? early or late model style?

Only place I could find one was from a parts car. It's not a wear part so I doubt anybody makes a new one, but you never know.

George

Steve Hayward 02-09-2012 09:53 PM

Re: Superstock A Body oil pans?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by George Mirza (Post 308622)
The later centerlink sits higher and farther back, it needs to go down and forward to clear the front of the sump. You can use it, but you need to bend the idler and pitman are quite a bit. All the cars I've seen have the early stuff on them.
George

Well I'm not adverse to bending the arms a bit. I have my front end all done ready for alignment. I changed the tie rod ends over to Spherical rod ends and can't get the front end travel I need. So lowering the steering arm and pitman arm helps me gain back geometry for more travel.............

You say 1" that is pretty huge!!!!


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