2011 Stock/Super Stock Class Champion
 

Where do they list the money amount and who is putting it up for the overall" Class Champions" in stock and super stock? I saw the list of racers in contention but no dollar amounts and what the criteria is to be eligible.

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On the very bottom of the page, there is this link

How Points are Earned/Tie-Breaker Methods http://www.nhra.com/points/stock-ss-...explained.aspx

You can also see the entire list of total points on a link just above that one.

But as it sits right now, a tie is assured in Super Stock Automatic, and Stock Automatic. And it will definitely be a matter of tie breakers coming into play for those two.

Both Super Stock Stick, and Stock Stick are still up for grabs on points. But dont rule out a tie there too in at least one of those two.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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If you are in the singles combo class and there are 16 cars in it. the winnere gets 80 points. If there are 2 cars in the same class the winner gets 85 points.
SOUNDS REAL FAIR TO ME.

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I have seen the list of drivers and how points are earned but not the posting for the payout to the winners and the criteria for payment. Also the amount to be paid. Las Vegas will be the last race to earn points.

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Tim I think this is what your looking for

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...20327#indextop

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I think what Tim is looking for is.
Who is paying the contingency money?
How much?
And what is the criteria for payment?

To me it seems like it depends on who wins. Then well let you know how much you get.
A Great Enhancement.

(this post was written by someone that ran a final round 3 times till they lost)

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Art
They just didnt like you and Tex at the Fall nationals.

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And to top it off they had no clue about sportsman (Stock and Superstock) racing.
They wanted the W.R. Grace Cup to go to a funny car. But they were terrible at math.
And that was when Wally and company ran the show.

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The class points champion for each of the 4 SS/STK classes will receive a divisional championship size Wally and leather jacket. Also the champs will receive $500 from each of the class sponsors that they qualify for. This info was given to me by Charlie Nelsons of NHRA at the 2011 Topeka Nationals .

Tim the $500 amount was posted sometime back in april. I only have a hard copy that I printed off at that time.

Left for Las Vegas at 6am this morning(Michigan time). As of 7pm today we have 1482 miles to go.

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It would have been nice if NHRA would have posted the EXACT amounts they are paying for the champions of the CLASS elims points chase.
For example.... MOPAR pays for 5 different products if you win class at sportsnationals... Does that mean they will pay $500 to the champs for each of those 5 products again? (or will they only pay once - $500 only). That's a $2000 swing that might have made a person think twice about going to Vegas! (believe me!)

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have'nt looked... bet $20 bob dennis is in the tie... hell he hauled two cars around just to make sure he won class and there were no singles....just like the ahfs another nhra exercise in stupidity...

wally had it right, class winners race on sunday.

captain jack

p.s. wont be long 64 car field 32 CJ's and 32 DP's

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Yes,,we did haul around 2 cars, but we always do....and yes he is tied for the class winner but that doesn't mean he will win, but you would do the same thing if you could so back off

buggs

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More power to you. You took advantage of the rules. You didn't write the rules. I hope you win the tiebreaker.
And I hope charlie and the people that made the rules. are happy as pigs in a blanket.

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It looks like it will fall to the third tie breaker, whoever went under the index the most on a winning class run.

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Bryan.... your SS winner will most likely come out of one of 4 classes in Vegas.
Watch SS/AS, GT/JA, GT/IA, and maybe SS/BS.

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Here is what it takes. We have to win A/SA with at least 4 rounds, we have to take out the other leader in A/SA, and we have to run 1.28 under the index, which we think we can do to win. What we win? Who knows. Jeff Teuton

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buggs... not crucifying you guys, just noting ANOTHER NHRA enhancement / idea that cannot ever work just like the AHFS... we can manipulate it > it wont work...

jack mccarthy

good luck

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I guess my main point was that this was to be a good thing for the sportsman class racer but was not highlighted enough by NHRA for us all to know exactly what was going on. I think Wes has the best shot at winning it.

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It was structured to give certain racers an advantage or disadvantage.
The fact that you can go more rounds in the combo classes and get less points proves my statement.
Earlier in the year I was told If I didn't like it I should move my car up or down to a more populated class.
As it happens the guy that thought the whole thing up has never read a rule book (maybe another cost saving measure).
I would like to have chased this thing. But if I ran 16 cars at every event I attended, and won. I still wouldn't even make the top five.

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Forgive me for my ignorance, but What is a "combo" class?

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Art.... I agree with you on most points (ex....like more rds in combo gets less points).

HOWEVER... If you read the rules again, you will notice that 17 cars gets you 90 points in the combo. I read this after I entered Maple Grove in GT/IA (2 cars in class got me 85 points). If I would have entered in GT/JA (class I was in for 2 races prior to that event), It would have made it an 18 car combo field (me and other GT/IA racer would have added 2 more to combo class) thus awarding the winner 90 points instead of usual combo 80 points (for less than 17 car field). I could have wrapped up the SS automatic points chase if I would have won that 5 rd race. No one at Vegas could have got 90 points because all the class fields in SS are under 17 cars.

I wish I would have known that prior to the race.

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All classes that have single-car entrants are paired up into one of four Combo Class run-offs, sorted by transmission type. SS/Stick, SS/Auto, Stock/Stick and Stock/Auto (classes where sticks and autos run the same class, example SS/AH, SS Modified classes and FWD Stockers, your transmission determines the class you run). For example, in Las Vegas this weekend:

Automatic Combo
SS/DM 7474 Justin Lamb, Henderson NV, '10 Cobalt 8.896 9.92 -1.024
SS/BM 2807 Darren Breaud, Hohenwald TN, '05 Dodge 8.422 9.36 -0.938
SS/FM 51 Abe Loewen, Regina SK, '98 Grand Am 9.874 10.68 -0.806
SS/TB 7668 Brad Rounds, Reno NV, '02 S-10 9.337 10.12 -0.783
SS/IA 4208 James Caro, Houma LA, '10 Challenger 10.135 10.89 -0.755
SS/NA 6153 Rick Pike, Langley BC, '56 Chevy 11.676 12.36 -0.684
GT/TA 6009 Bob Marshall, Olds AB, '02 S-10 10.120 10.73 -0.610
SS/PA 5482 Sheldon Erfle, Saskatoon SK, '56 Chevy 12.288 12.87 -0.582
SS/CA 7427 Larry Rush, Vernal UT, '69 Camaro 9.642 10.22 -0.578
GT/HA 73 John Winslow Sr, San Jose CA, '65 Coronet 10.710 11.24 -0.530
GT/TB 7267 Larry Scarth, Manhatten Beach CA, '01 S-10 10.724 11.04 -0.316
GT/GA 61 Mark Faul, Tacoma WA, '98 Grand Am 10.776 11.09 -0.314
SS/AM 1 Ryan McClanahan, Alta Loma CA, '08 Cobalt 9.187 9.16 0.027

Stick Combo
SS/H 714E Bob Earleywine, Winchester CA, '69 Camaro 10.187 10.68 -0.493

All those automatic cars will race each other, handicapped off the Class Indexes, first to the stripe wins, like Comp Eliminator. The winner of that Combo will get the lone Wally--the other that showed up get nothing. Sucks, but welcome to the new NHRA.

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Tom I understand that. But you would have had to go 5 rounds to make 5 more points than the guy that ran one round. I don't care how good the driver or the car is thats 5 times that something can go wrong. At the Grove years back It rained and I got there a little late. They were running the qualifying round of stock while I was stuck behind a few super gassers (in the field). I really wasn't worried because I was the only car in the class. I had a vacuum line pop off and I didn't run the index. I didn't get to run the eliminator (only 128 cars there were 132). I was not a happy camper. I went to Cecil the next day for some T&T and went. way better than 2 seconds under on the first pass.
So things can happen. Plus the fact that in the combo classes there are cars that completely control their own destiny. If they take a tenth and a half away if you've got 5 in the bank it doesn't hurt.

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I was wrong..... it appears that Todd Patterson snuck in with 6 rd wins for the SS title.
Wes Leopold Jr and Ken Etter had 5 rd wins.

..these are my "unofficial results"....lol

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I think I know who won Stock Automatic, and also who won Stock Stick, but I am sworn to secrecy, so I can't tell you that the winners in each were the new cars.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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Stock Stick Charley Downing driving a V or U/S ride I think. Funny his competition was a no show ??? What a way to win!!!

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Does Charley get the class win if he didn't run the index ? A few years back didn't you need to run the index or a certain amount under to get the class win ? or has that all changed with the new system ?

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Typical half-baked program like the AHFS, implement then explain-modify-change on the fly as racers that are impacted investigate nuances and request answers

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At last someone that understands!!!!!!
The sole purpose of this was to give out less wallys.
And you have people on here thanking nhra.
PS I have a few slightly used bridges for sale cheap

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Junior Paul was not a no show. He was having problems all day with his car. He told me he put a new set of plug wires on after the 1 round qualifying run and did not put the coil wire on all the way and it came off during his burn out when he ran me. The same kind of thing happened to me at the sports nats in Columbus this year. I was pulling out for the class final and my injector rail came loose and fuel was going all over under the hood and I was a no show for the class final . You take a win any way they come to you.

Dave the old .50 under rule was for singles only. When there were two or more cars in a class there was no min. But last year the .50 under was taken away and the class win rule went back to the way it was for 40 plus years all you need a win light.

Example a few years ago at the sports nat in Columbus

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET---Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT----ET---Speed
3777 Harlan Updike 3137 Brian Seibenick
C1 ****WINNER**** 0.045 14.965 90.85 No Time
T/SA Index: 14.70 (+/-): 0.265 T/SA Index: 14.70 (+/-): 85.299
Qualified: #105 14.944 89.35 #94 14.315 90.61
Trophy run in T/SA and Seibeneck's car appeared to break the axle, the right rear wheel suddenly about a foot or so to the right of its usual location when he hit the throttle. Since it was a head-to-head race, Updike wins the trophy, even though he has yet to run under his index.

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I don't have the data in front of me for car counts at each event that ran class but I believe it to be true that all season there were no events that had enough cars in a combo to get this 90 point win. So again as we look at the flawed system - there is more emphasis ($$) for the points win at the end of the season than any individual event win (which you would expect) yet its out of your individual control how many other people show up in your class yet your are penalized for it by having to run in the combo against others who may not be as evenly factored as you and by running for a reduced amount of points for the win. I know my situation of running a class with only currently 2 cars in the country a single is most likely. So since I can not move to another class I can only hope there are 17 singles or its mathematically impossible for me to have a shot at the season points before I ever unload the car. Fine my fault for not building a Mustang/Camaro like most everyone else. But wait - in the combo at Indy I had to run a SS/CA Cobra Jet Mustang in the combo. So even a historically popular class with one of the most competitive combinations available currently can still be a single at a major event so its not a matter of running an obscure combo or not. The only way to control it is to go the Bob Dennis route and bring your own 2 cars in the same class, doesn't gaurantee a win as others could also run that class but does gaurantee your not in the combo running for reduced points.

I don't think there should be an advantage/disadvantage given for the # of cars in a class - class win should be XX points whether its one pair of cars or 18 cars in the combo. Yes you have to work harder for it in the combo and that doesn't fix that the national record holder in one class with a stiff factor can get smoked by an average or below average performer in a lesser factored class when running off the indexes. At least if the points were level you wouldn't have the situation where you are eliminated from the points championship before you ever stage the car.

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Hey Charley

Who's car did you barrow???

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Bill koski car

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Cool.

Thought it might have been a car Mark Yacavone had, if he still has one. He used to have a real fast mustang against the index at one time I think?

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So , who are the 4 winners ? Is it Patterson (ss auto ?), Charley (stk stick) and who else and more important what did they win ?

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Should be close to ten grand, the biggest Wally they can find, a really cool jacket, two pages a piece in the last dragster of the year.......after the required trip to the barn for crank, rod, piston weighing, CCing of this and that and verification of parts use as claimed!

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At $500 per contingency sponsor it seems like a number around $5000 (plus or minus a bit) is much more likely based on the ones who pay. But there are the bragging rights that come with the whole thing.

First ever National (Super Stock Auto, Super Stock Stick, Stock Auto, Stock Stick) Champions.

And only four will be able to claim those awards for 2011.

Pretty cool for whoever has the best built, and most consistent cars and drivers in Stock.

Whoever wins it, will surely have earned it, by capturing appropriate points, and accumulating tie breakers where necessary.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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Congrats to the Rev and Dave.

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First, Congratulations to Charley Bob.

And congratulating us (Keith is the Rev, and you know me....) is also very nice of you Charley Bob!

It was still on the table right up to the finals in A/SA. If we win it, we win everything. And if Joey wins it, he gets it all.

Joey had a shot in Class Finals, and needed a couple of things to go right. They gave it a go, and it would have been one heck of a race, had their starter not failed.But as Jeff posted previously, they needed to win first, and then go 1.28 under to take the next tie breaker (coincidentally we held it at 1.27).

But we were lining up, and even pulled off to wait for them when we got word that they were broken, and we should line up and run a single...

And that gentlemen....... is racing.

Once again, congratulations to Charley Bob as National Stock Stick Class Champion. And we are pleased to have won the National Stock Automatic Class Championship.

And for those who always wonder, Charley Bob's car (aka The Charley Horse) and my car (The Mega Maniac) have both recently successfully passed tear downs.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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Did anyone win with a carb car? If all new cars won don't forget to thank NHRA for the low HP ratings and the .3 second reduction in index and the raising of the automatic trigger.

Such a crock.