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MikeFicacci 11-21-2011 06:35 PM

2012 Rules Are Posted
 
Should be interesting.

Mike Delahanty 11-21-2011 06:45 PM

Re: 2012 Rules Are Posted
 
SECTION 10A: STOCK CARS, ENGINE: 1, ROCKER ARMS (Page 5)

Aftermarket rocker arm permitted. Either adjustable pushrods or adjustable OEM rocker arms permitted on any application, but not both.



Can we get a translation on this please.

Another Friendly Racer 11-21-2011 06:50 PM

Re: 2012 Rules Are Posted
 
AAA/SA? ... CC/SA? ... would it have been that difficult to just reorder the classes from A on down?

Todd Bailey 11-21-2011 06:57 PM

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OK, roller rockers are allowed. ANY ratio allowed?

jmcarter 11-21-2011 07:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Another Friendly Racer (Post 294736)
AAA/SA? ... CC/SA? ... would it have been that difficult to just reorder the classes from A on down?

Agree with you but some would be mad about being in a lower class even if it's the same weight break...

The camera/video rights section caught my attention, as well as substance abuse policy now being more in line with what most employees working for a company already abide by.

Stock still 1955 or newer to put that BS to bed.

http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/file/2...Amendments.pdf

Chad Rhodes 11-21-2011 07:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 294741)
Agree with you but some would be mad about being in a lower class even if it's the same weight break...

The camera/video rights section caught my attention, as well as substance abuse policy now being more in line with what most employees working for a company already abide by.

Stock still 1955 or newer to put that BS to bed.

http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/file/2...Amendments.pdf

as usual, Charley is full of it

SSDA Hemi 11-21-2011 07:03 PM

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5.5 lb Super Stock class…

I found nothing in there about diapers or belly pans on Super Stock cars...

Angelo DiTocco 11-21-2011 07:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDA Hemi (Post 294743)
5.5 lb Super Stock class…

I found nothing in there about diapers or belly pans on Super Stock cars...

Shuhhsh - don't give em any ideas !

Alan Roehrich 11-21-2011 07:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Bailey (Post 294739)
OK, roller rockers are allowed. ANY ratio allowed?

I have it on good authority that the rule will be amended again soon. As it is now, they did not even specify stock ratio or stock configuration. As open as it is right now, by the letter, we could go out and buy a set of Jesel or T&D shaft mounts in whatever ratio we wanted. After all, they bolt to a stock head. :eek:

Of course, NHRA would say "just because we did not tell you that you cannot, does not mean that you can". :rolleyes:

I guess it is kind of cool, though. If your Stock Eliminator combination is factored at 500HP, you can run AAA/S at 3170 with driver, on a 9" slick.

Terry Cain 11-21-2011 07:57 PM

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Who will be the first 8 second stocker?

Ed Fernandez 11-21-2011 08:00 PM

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1 Attachment(s)
Rules revisions 2014:

AAAAA/SA 3.00-3.50 After the moostangs finally get hit to their real potential.

art leong 11-21-2011 09:08 PM

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I guess there are no changes to the SS/GT, and Modified classes?
Or did I miss something?

FED 387 11-21-2011 09:11 PM

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looks like "many people" will have to curtail there cocktailing or use of adult beverages--- not only racers and crew but NHRA staff also(TC) maybe? They are gonna make an example of somebody I gaurantee you.
Noticed also many classes will not be allowing ANGLE PLUG heads !!! Do not know how many that is gonna affect
Many classes quicker than 150MPH or 9:99 will also hafta have a HANS neck protection unit too under the new system....

Dallas Kelly 11-21-2011 09:23 PM

Re: 2012 Rules Are Posted
 
Apparently, one of the 2012 enhancements will be that "all" window nets will expire after 2 years. 2011 rules had an two year expiration term for the "mesh" type nets only; "ribbon" type nets did not expire.

Maybe we can get the manufacturers to put both our two year seat belts and two year window net in the same box so that we can "save" shipping? (sarcasm)

butch8908 11-21-2011 09:32 PM

Re: 2012 Rules Are Posted
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 294741)
Agree with you but some would be mad about being in a lower class even if it's the same weight break...

The camera/video rights section caught my attention, as well as substance abuse policy now being more in line with what most employees working for a company already abide by.

Stock still 1955 or newer to put that BS to bed.

http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/file/2...Amendments.pdf

Where in the rules does it talk about the camera/video right? I'm an amateur photographer that takes a lot of Sportsman pictures and gives them away to the drivers. I'd like to know if I have any rights/
Butch

FED 387 11-21-2011 09:43 PM

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looks like "many people" will have to curtail there cocktailing or use of adult beverages--- not only racers and crew but NHRA staff also(TC) maybe? They are gonna make an example of somebody I gaurantee you.
Noticed also many classes will not be allowing ANGLE PLUG heads !!! Do not know how many that is gonna affect
Many classes will also hafta have a HANS neck protection unit too under the new system....

Toby Lang 11-21-2011 09:51 PM

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No more helmet cams:

"Attachment to the driver, the driver’s helmet or the steering wheel prohibited."


-Toby

Doug Blackley 11-21-2011 09:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Cain (Post 294755)
Who will be the first 8 second stocker?

I'd bet Don Fezell, wouldn't be surprised to see him get there first.

danny waters sr 11-21-2011 10:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang (Post 294775)
No more helmet cams:

"Attachment to the driver, the driver’s helmet or the steering wheel prohibited."


-Toby

There goes ESPN coverage....Now see what you did Toby..lol

ALMACK 11-21-2011 10:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 294756)
Rules revisions 2014:

AAAAA/SA 3.00-3.50 After the moostangs finally get hit to their real potential.


Wow !
That's alot of A's !

jimi 11-21-2011 10:12 PM

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ok so now can i run a 1965 a990 hemi cross ram car in stock eliminator?

rick lester 11-21-2011 10:14 PM

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Noticed also many classes will not be allowing ANGLE PLUG heads !!! Do not know how many that is gonna affect

Its angle-tipped spark plugs that are now illegal in comp. Are we to assume they are legal in stock and super stock?

jmcarter 11-21-2011 10:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by butch8908 (Post 294770)
Where in the rules does it talk about the camera/video right? I'm an amateur photographer that takes a lot of Sportsman pictures and gives them away to the drivers. I'd like to know if I have any rights/
Butch

See page 58 of the amendments, apparently NHRA has rights to video taken....

jimi 11-21-2011 10:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rick lester (Post 294784)
Noticed also many classes will not be allowing ANGLE PLUG heads !!! Do not know how many that is gonna affect

Its angle-tipped spark plugs that are now illegal in comp. Are we to assume they are legal in stock and super stock?

what is an angle tipped spark plug?

Tony Curcio 11-21-2011 10:39 PM

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Any guesses about the indexes for these new classes?

Toby Lang 11-21-2011 10:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 294785)
See page 58 of the amendments, apparently NHRA has rights to video taken....


I believe that has always been the case.


-Toby

james schaechter 11-21-2011 10:56 PM

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So what are the stocker BB and AA indexes then? 10.35 10.05? I didn't see anything posted. Maybe I missed it.

bigshow2966 11-21-2011 11:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang (Post 294790)
I believe that has always been the case.


-Toby

It has for fans anyway, it's always been on the back of the ticket.

Larry Hill 11-21-2011 11:09 PM

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So what class will Bill Hawk's new car "Fit"?

What a Joke

7423 11-21-2011 11:32 PM

Re: 2012 Rules Are Posted
 
SECTION 10A: STOCK CARS, ENGINE: 1, ROCKER ARMS (Page 5)

"Aftermarket rocker arm permitted. Either adjustable pushrods or adjustable OEM rocker arms permitted on any application, but not both. "

They really go to great lengths to spell out their rules changes so all can understand them.
Is this for real?
Is that it?
Really?
I think every racer with a stock # should call the tech dept at the same time and ask for an explaination.

FED 387 11-21-2011 11:40 PM

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I can't imagine that a Super Mod in Super Stock CAN have angle plug heads and that a Super Mod in Comp CANNOT have them--no logic there----as for roller rockers bet its gonna be OEM location and ratios ---No T&D/Jesel shaft style rocker systems UNLESS that style is OEM (Mopar,etc)

Jim Wahl 11-21-2011 11:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by james schaechter (Post 294794)
So what are the stocker BB and AA indexes then? 10.35 10.05? I didn't see anything posted. Maybe I missed it.

Indexes are never put in the rule book. I'm guessing there will be another announcement relative to the new indexes. Jim

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Jim Wahl 11-21-2011 11:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Bailey (Post 294739)
OK, roller rockers are allowed. ANY ratio allowed?

As I posted before on another thread:

Would have to be the same setup as stock, IE. shaft mount or stud. Same ratio as stock spec. IE. 1.5 etc. You guys had to know it was coming!


Trust me on this, this will be the spec. Jim


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Bernie Cunningham 11-22-2011 12:11 AM

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For the video deal, I kind'a saw this coming cause when I did the cam affixed to me hood in Sonoma , Danny told me to take it off cause it didn't fit with ESPN being the video rights holder. F it, I did it anyway.
Can't do that now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well ESPN/NHRA, step up to the plate. Why don't ya'll take some footage of all the great stk/ss action yourself's and spread it around. I want to see Toby continue from the stands, don't believe he can be affected, but ya never know. Anybody want to buy a lightly used HD Pro???????????

SS Engine Guy 11-22-2011 01:06 AM

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Who dreams up this crap anyway? Seems almost laughable to even put some of this stuff in print. And even funnier that quite a few of you will actually put up with it year after year. Time for another venue and some real rules that actually mean something. You know, the kind that can't be interpreted 100 different ways depending on the incident and the competitor. Hell, how much is the budget for the tech dept? With the way this is written it shouldn't be any more than allowance for a third grader.

cutta 11-22-2011 02:45 AM

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So are all of the super stock only cars with 6.0lbf weight breaks going to be allowed back in? I have to say that I would love to see one of the 68's cudas or darts in stock. At least that would add some additional excitement and even amidst all the unrest of NHRA's idoacy(if thats a word), seeing some of the SS only combos in Stock would be exciting.

butch8908 11-22-2011 07:53 AM

Re: 2012 Rules Are Posted
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 294785)
See page 58 of the amendments, apparently NHRA has rights to video taken....

Thanks, I thought they might be talking about photos, but see its really only about videos in the car. Just making it harder for Ken and Toby to get the great videos. Trying to keep regular folks from seeing how exciting wheels up racing is.

Charley Downing 11-22-2011 08:26 AM

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Larry Hawks car still fits A/SA B/SA & C/SA. No joke.

Jim Kaekel 11-22-2011 09:39 AM

Re: 2012 Rules Are Posted
 
I see that the aftermarket automatic transmission cases will now be listed as legal for everyone, not just the Drag Paks and Cobra Jets. JW is getting ready to release a replacement for the TH-400.

Mike Fuller 11-22-2011 10:10 AM

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The next sentence reads "NHRA-accepted adapter plates permitted". Does this mean that the bell housing on the 200 can be machined off and a SFI housing adapted to it?.


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