lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

like the title says, I'm looking for the build sheet for the 215hp(240hp factor) and can't find them. The only 302 I see is the 340hp.
Where do I look?

Thanks,
Jim

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

if you can find an old Ford Racing catalog, I believe this is the old GT 40P engine from the mid-late 90's. It should list the cam lift, head cc, etc. Other than that, I believe the block, pistons, rods, crank, and rocker ratio are the same as the other late model 302's. To my knowledge, this engine essentially just had the heads from an Explorer.

The engine I run is the 1992 regular GT 40 crate motor.

call Hank Blankenship...he should have the specs..276-531-8654

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

It is the same specs as the standard 87-90 302-225/215 EFI HO motor but without the EFI.

Ford Racing offered it as a crate motor in the early part of the decade when they were blowing assembly line push rod engines out.

M-6007-F50 was the part number.

No GT-40 heads,
E7TE castings with .445 lift and any cast intake with acceptable 750 carbs.

Geroge Wright built the first one years ago, put it in his FC/M Probe and promptly proceeded to fly with it.

At the time probably because it was a Ford and GM was king around there IHRA promptly whacked it with 25 HP.
Of course the last part is purely speculation on my part so all of you GM crate motor guys don't get in a uproar. It was a long time ago. ;)

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Thanks for the responses guys. So it's a stock roller cam 5.0 87-93 except it has 750 holley?
Cool, so sportsman rods and approved pistons, .445lift bullet cam should get me started....actually, these had forged pistons from the factory, are the factory forged piston legal or do you have to run the approved aftermarket ones?

Thanks for Hanks number Chris, I think I'll call next week.

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

you can run the stock pistons. If you are going start out with the stock bottom end, make sure you get at least install a good vibration sfi damper.

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Alex, what is that 302 270/250 HP crate engine that some guys run? I don't remember it.

By the way, still debating about lifters. haven't done anything yet.

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Chris, The 270/250 is the gt40p heads, flat top pistons with four valve notches, and the 498 lift cam. I thought the 215/240 engine was the same engine except the cam was the smaller I think 442 stock cam. Gary Peterson

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

I think this is the engine in question.
Basic production Mustang 5.0 longblock pulled from the assembly line and a couple of FRRP valve covers thrown on.
Cam specs would be the same as NHRA Stock eliminator 87-93 5.0 engines I would imagine.


http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...ngines8jpg.jpg

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Here are the other SBF crate engines from the 2002 catalog:


http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...ngines9jpg.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...gines11jpg.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...gines10jpg.jpg

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

The 285/265/255hp engine has the gt-40 head, flat top pistons, 4 valve reliefs, 480 lift cam.
As I said earlier the 270/250 use the gp40p head (explorer head). The 215/240 engine is basically the explorer engine, Olin Welborn had this engine in his 68 Mustang in k,l,m crate motor when was running it in IHRA a few years ago.It also has the gt40p heads. The 95 Mustang that I ran in M/cm was the 270/250 engine. I tried the 285/265 when I first built the car but found that the gt40p head were a better head and at that time was worth the 15 hp difference over the gt40 head. I believe IHRA lower the hp to 255 last year. Gary Peterson

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Gary,
The 215 engine does not come with GT-40P heads.
E7TE heads.
It is based on a 92-93 motor with hyperutectic pistons and a .445 lift cam.
Explorer engines had the GT-40P heads.
Olin ran the 215 HP with the correct E7TE heads.
He may have upgraded the motor to 270 specs at a later time.
I have not spoken to him in a while.
His car is a 65 Mustang not a 68.

Chris,

No problem, just let me know.

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Wow, ask and ye shall receive!

I've been running the spec's through a couple computor programs and the 215hp should run about -.400 under index...well as much as you can trust a computor. That was basically a stock 5.0 with a 750 and my mustang as it is. 4.86 gear/29.5X9/c4 with 3500 converter. With this combo my 4.86's seem too low and according to the computor 4.56's or even 4.11's seem quicker. Problem is, it shows the 750 better than a 650 and a single plane intake better than a dual plane. As we all know, a stock engine like that would benefit more from a dual plane intake and a smaller carb so I'm kind of skeptical.

How did other's make out with this combo? Was it a slug or am I on the right path? And yes -.400 seems optimistic, that's why I'm doubtful it's that good out of the box.

Thanks again,
GB2

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Alex I know he had the gt40p heads the last time I saw him run his car at Rockingham. He sat the record and had to tear down. I saw the engine apart and they were the gt40p. I guess I thought it was the 215 engine. I never did run that engine so really never looked at the spec's.
Goinbroke, with the 270/250 combo I had the 4.88's,c4, 750 carb, Victor Jr.,ATI4200 convertor and 30x9 Hooiser Radials. Could run 1.00+ under eight mile, 1.30 under quarter mile. Did a lot of testing with cam timing, carbs, and intakes, rear gears and this setup was the fastest. Good luck, Gary Peterson

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Thanks Gary! Just as easy to pick up an explorer engine as a mustang engine to start with I suppose. I know I'll be nowhere near that as my car isn't "scienced out" like a real stocker. That's certainly encouraging though!

One other question then, were you running aftermarket rods/pistons or stock? (and how high were you twisting it)?

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

George Wright debut with 302-215





Sat, 4 Nov 2000, 02:22 PM

ROCKINGHAM - Earl's Stock Qualifying, Session #3 Order





ROCKINGHAM, N.C. - Order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Earl's Stock at the Second annual CARQUEST Autumn Nationals:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 39501 M/CM George Wright, Carleton MI, '90 Probe 11.423 13.10 -1.677
2 1-9924 M/SA Bud Rowe, Bridgeton NC, '85 Camaro 11.918 13.15 -1.232
3 1-9067 D/CM Mike Adams, Garner NC, '67 Nova 10.538 11.75 -1.212
4 135 D/SA Bill Hawk, Manassas VA, '67 Shelby 10.683 11.85 -1.167
5 2011 L/SA Randy Parker, Four Oaks NC, '85 Camaro 11.897 13.05 -1.153
6 1923 K/SA Greg Rowe, Bridgeton NC, '90 Camaro 11.842 12.95 -1.108
7 19323 G/SA Garry Glazener, Jackson SC, '72 Mustang 11.198 12.30 -1.102
8 4 G/CM Paul Crowe, Winchester KY, '81 Malibu 11.120 12.20 -1.080
9 1-9909 K/SA Mark Lewis, Inman SC, '74 Nova 11.872 12.95 -1.078
10 1-9977 F/CM Greg Sasser, Grifton NC, '86 Camaro 10.981 12.05 -1.069
11 1-9032 B/SA Jack Zimmerman, Clemmons NC, '71 Challen 10.504 11.55 -1.046
12 2-9243 N/SA Jim Woods, Kissimmee FL, '77 Regency 12.270 13.30 -1.030
13 3 K/CM Myron Piatek, Holly Hill FL, '76 Duster 11.782 12.80 -1.018
14 7 E/CM Ricky Clark, New Haven KY, '94 Camaro 10.883 11.90 -1.017
15 1033 K/SA Dave Ribeiro, Williamsburg VA, '78 Fireb 11.936 12.95 -1.014
16 1-9040 K/CM Carr Gibson, Lumberton NC, '80 Volare 11.825 12.80 -0.975
17 1-9706 Y/S Tom Gould, Woodbridge VA, '66 Corvair 15.179 16.15 -0.971
18 1-9222 I/CM Hillarey Sloan, Sanford NC, '71 Duster 11.546 12.50 -0.954
19 1-9769 C/CM Nick Smallwood, Delbarton WV, '77 Vega 10.659 11.60 -0.941
20 10 O/SA David Mercer, Benton IL, '89 Mustang 12.532 13.45 -0.918
21 1-9927 S/GTG Robbie Batten, Wilson NC, '85 Camaro 11.286 12.20 -0.914
22 1-9749 J/CM Randy Tatman, Lawndale NC, '65 Coronet 11.738 12.65 -0.912
23 5 F/CM Mark Beaver, Shelby NC, '97 Mustang 11.181 12.05 -0.869
24 6 F/CM Mike Morris, New Haven KY, '66 Chevelle 11.184 12.05 -0.866
25 3049 E/SA Jack Treola, Charleston WV, '68 Firebird 11.147 12.00 -0.853
26 4782 B/SA Steven Hall, Sweeny TX, '68 Mustang 10.707 11.55 -0.843
27 3-9368 I/S Denny Hillman, Indianapolis IN, '67 Cama 11.677 12.50 -0.823
28 9561 B/SA Gene Jordan, Reidsville NC, '69 Camaro 10.735 11.55 -0.815
29 9262 F/S Scott Bailey, Seffner FL, '71 Mustang 11.327 12.10 -0.773
30 1-9707 I/SA Mickey Whaley, Kinston NC, '69 Camaro 11.840 12.60 -0.760
31 1-9167 H/CM Clif Smallwood, Dorton KY, '79 Malibu Wgn11.599 12.35 -0.751
32 1525 H/SA Michael Martin, Sophia NC, '72 Demon 11.720 12.45 -0.730
33 1-9668 G/SA Philip Hilling, Kinston NC, '68 Camaro 11.592 12.30 -0.708
34 1-9953 F/SA Curtis Smith, Clinton NC, '67 Camaro 11.446 12.15 -0.704
35 1-9275 S/GTH Duan Eiskant II, Alexandria VA, '86 Must 11.597 12.30 -0.703
36 9020 G/SA Brenda Grubbs, Matthews NC, '69 Camaro 11.617 12.30 -0.683
37 1-9279 G/CM Geoff Turk, Clayton NC, '73 Road Runner 11.550 12.20 -0.650
38 1-9013 N/PS Frank Kreiner, Kernersville NC, '86 Must 13.603 14.25 -0.647
39 1-9867 D/SA Kenny Koonce Jr, LaGrange NC, '69 Camaro 11.219 11.85 -0.631
40 19230 G/SA Scott Welborn, West Columbia SC, '68 Che 11.698 12.30 -0.602
41 9039 G/S John Gibson, Jacksonville NC, '96 Mustang11.615 12.20 -0.585
42 2-9370 L/PS Bobby Butler, Sevierville TN, '93 Mustang13.426 14.00 -0.574
43 1-9710 D/CM Allen Lambert, Johns Island SC, '67 Cama 11.177 11.75 -0.573
44 1-9958 G/SA Junior Riner, Autryville NC, '69 Nova 11.736 12.30 -0.564
45 1-9456 H/CM Robert Ayers, Ahoskie NC, '85 Camaro 11.793 12.35 -0.557
46 1 B/CM Monty Bogan Jr, Jonesville SC, '69 Camaro10.905 11.45 -0.545
47 3-9553 B/SA Paul Marcum, Pataskala OH, '70 Challenger11.014 11.55 -0.536
48 1-9363 C/SA William Lofton, Pleasant Garden NC, '69 11.180 11.70 -0.520
49 1-9208 M/CM Raymond Roland, Cayce SC, '72 Maverick 12.659 13.10 -0.441
50 3-9022 I/CM Bob Marshall, Columbus OH, '73 Dart 12.084 12.50 -0.416
51 1-9779 K/CM Chuck Carmack, Wilmington NC, '79 Malibu 12.395 12.80 -0.405
52 1-9002 J/CM Marty McNeill, Sanford NC, '85 Monte Car 12.247 12.65 -0.403
53 3-9117 K/SA Eric Wilkerson, Seymour IN, '72 Skylark 12.562 12.95 -0.388
54 1-9800 CT/SA Fred Martin, Mt. Pleasant SC, '99 F150 12.880 13.25 -0.370
55 9613 SGTL Randall Campbell, Gray KY, '81 Malibu Wgn12.632 13.00 -0.368
56 8 S/GTI Stacie Ridings, Columbus NC, '86 Camaro 12.155 12.50 -0.345
57 4-9885 F/CM Larry Cummings, Hammond LA, '69 Camaro 11.717 12.05 -0.333
58 1-9806 S/GTM Emily Stott, Columbus NC, '81 Malibu 12.820 13.15 -0.330
59 2-9903 M/PS Ray Grice, Aiken SC, '90 Mustang 13.844 14.15 -0.306
60 1-9035 H/CM Harold Gault, Pacolet Mills SC, '69 Nova 12.075 12.35 -0.275
61 1-9788 N/SA Gary Peterson, Sophia NC, '94 Mustang 13.157 13.30 -0.143
62 1-9031 E/SA Ronnie Hamlin, Fuquay-Varina NC, '71 Dus 11.896 12.00 -0.104
63 1-9313 M/S Tom Hemmingson, Concord NC, '66 Chevelle 16.329 13.15 3.179
64 3-9888 OPS Eric Patton, Morningview KY, '86 Mustang DQ
65 2221 K/SA Richard Mace, Jacksonville FL, '85 Camaro DQ
66 19015 H/SA Robert Draughon, Fayetteville NC, '69 Ca DQ
67 4-9783 B/SA Rusty Hall, Sweeny TX, '68 Mustang DQ

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Olin with what I believe was the 302-215 combo.

Sat, 19 Oct 2002, 01:59 PM

Stock Qualifying, Final Order





ROCKINGHAM, N.C. - Final order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Earl's Stock at the Hooters IHRA Drag Racing Series, Seventh annual CARQUEST Auto Parts World Finals:



Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 902 X/SA Tim Griffith, Cedar Bluff VA, '65 Corone 14.608 16.25 -1.642
2 2897 L/CM Olin Welborn, Aiken SC, '65 Mustang 11.515 12.90 -1.385
3 999 H/CM Mike Petrie, Union SC, '68 Camaro 10.922 12.30 -1.378
4 3019 G/SA Mitch Kight, Durham NC, '73 Duster 10.955 12.30 -1.345
5 92 A/CM Terry Taylor, Lumberton NC, '71 Nova 9.906 11.25 -1.344
6 1350 G/SA Tex Miller, Fayetteville PA, '72 Mustang 10.965 12.30 -1.335
7 9927 F/CM Robbie Batten, Wilson NC, '85 Camaro 10.673 12.00 -1.327
8 4044 ET/SA Joey Teuton, Houma LA, '97 Ram 11.935 13.20 -1.265
9 95 H/CM Hillary Sloan-Thomas, Broadway NC, '71 D 11.072 12.30 -1.228
10 9455 D/SA Jason Line, Terrell NC, '70 Grand Sport 10.627 11.85 -1.223
11 9977 I/SA Greg Sasser, Grifton NC, '86 Camaro 11.386 12.60 -1.214
12 1131 D/SA Sterling Simmons Jr, Midlothian VA, '97 10.641 11.85 -1.209
13 97 I/CM Kevin Shipmon, Burlington NC, '74 Duster 11.245 12.45 -1.205
14 4783 B/SA Rusty Hall, Sweeny TX, '68 Mustang 10.346 11.55 -1.204
15 1841 G/PS Rick Golliday, Falling Waters WV, '69 Ca 12.954 14.15 -1.196
16 4784 B/SA Chris Farley, W. Columbia TX, '92 Mustang10.360 11.55 -1.190
17 500 C/CM Dave Duell, Evansville IN, '68 Barracuda 10.228 11.40 -1.172
18 1633 E/SA Lincoln Morehead, Newburgh NY, '97 Fireb 10.829 12.00 -1.171
19 9 B/CM Larry Cummings, Hammond LA, '67 Nova 10.386 11.55 -1.164
20 1360 H/CM Terry Knott, Beaver PA, '73 Dart 11.140 12.30 -1.160
21 910 D/CM Billy Plage, Sophia NC, '82 Camaro 10.541 11.70 -1.159
22 904 G/SA Scott Welborn, W. Columbia SC, '68 Cheve 11.142 12.30 -1.158
23 1557 B/SA Fred Thibeault, Middleton NS, '69 Camaro 10.395 11.55 -1.155
24 9104 E/CM Jeff Underwood, Four Oaks NC, '86 Camaro 10.703 11.85 -1.147
25 1151 F/SA Ronald Urquhart, Chesterfield VA, '68 Ca 11.009 12.15 -1.141
26 2011 L/SA Donald Webb, Four Oaks NC, '85 Camaro 11.913 13.05 -1.137
27 9310 E/CM Tim Rollins, Sanford NC, '87 Camaro 10.729 11.85 -1.121
28 302 C/FCM George Wright, Carleton MI, '90 Probe 11.136 12.25 -1.114
29 9111 D/CM Steve Lucas, Goldsboro NC, '68 Camaro 10.590 11.70 -1.110
30 909 J/SA Mark Lewis, Inman SC, '73 Nova 11.650 12.75 -1.100
31 1033 K/SA Dave Ribeiro, Williamsburg VA, '78 Fireb 11.857 12.95 -1.093
32 1973 E/CM Tank Crosswhite, Glade Spring VA, '73 Du 10.763 11.85 -1.087
33 39 E/CM Denise Marcum, Pataskala OH, '73 Dart 10.768 11.85 -1.082
34 984 D/CM Joe Helms, Lynchburg VA, '84 Camaro 10.633 11.70 -1.067
35 2189 D/SA Harold Culpepper, Pine Mtn Valley GA, '9 10.795 11.85 -1.055
36 4705 D/SA Bobby Brannon, Bossier City LA, '98 Fire 10.832 11.85 -1.018
37 2466 G/SA Gale Pinkston, Shelbyville TN, '67 Camaro11.288 12.30 -1.012
38 9208 M/CM Raymond Roland, Cayce SC, '72 Maverick 12.050 13.05 -1.000
39 916 D/SA Kenny Koonce Jr, Willow Spgs NC, '69 Cam 10.858 11.85 -0.992
40 9220 X/SA Larry Munk, Poquoson VA, '78 LeMans 15.264 16.25 -0.986
41 25 F/PS Bobby Butler, Sevierville TN, '93 Mustang12.865 13.85 -0.985
42 1352 GT/D Duane Eiskant II, Alexandria VA, '85 Mus 11.219 12.20 -0.981
43 34 M/S Brian Fain, Mt. Clare WV, '69 AMX 12.169 13.15 -0.981
44 4074 A/SA Jimmie Hutto Jr, Houston TX, '69 Camaro 10.328 11.30 -0.972
45 9426 A/SA Johnny Fisher, Raleigh NC, '70 Challenger10.329 11.30 -0.971
46 2710 P/SA Allen Lambert, Johns Island SC, '88 Cutl 12.780 13.75 -0.970
47 9952 H/SA Earl Smith, Clinton NC, '69 Camaro 11.492 12.45 -0.958
48 8 F/CM Ricky Clark, New Haven KY, '94 Camaro 11.050 12.00 -0.950
49 2032 B/SA Jack Zimmerman, Clemmons NC, '71 Challen 10.603 11.55 -0.947
50 151 L/SA Jim Harrington, Old Bridge NJ, '91 Camaro12.106 13.05 -0.944
51 9704 B/PS Walt Hollifield, Charlotte NC, '68 Fireb 11.722 12.65 -0.928
52 9706 X/S Tom Gould, Beaufort SC, '66 Corvair 15.042 15.95 -0.908
53 3 J/CM Myron Piatek, Holly Hill FL, '76 Dart 11.716 12.60 -0.884
54 9953 H/SA Curtis Smith, Clinton NC, '69 Chevy Nova 11.571 12.45 -0.879
55 2172 D/SA Bill Harris, Cleveland TN, '71 Mustang 10.980 11.85 -0.870
56 9181 O/SA James Hultberg, Hope Mills NC, '81 Trans 12.581 13.45 -0.869
57 969 H/SA Bobby Scott, Woodruff SC, '69 Nova 11.582 12.45 -0.868
58 1916 A/SA Jim Morgan, Conway SC, '64 Belvedere 10.440 11.30 -0.860
59 9332 K/S Rich Davis, Concord NC, '66 Nova 11.992 12.85 -0.858
60 2810 HF/SA Harry Morgan, Sunrise FL, '81 Escort 17.766 18.60 -0.834
61 1904 G/CM Carr Gibson, Lumberton NC, '78 Volare 11.317 12.15 -0.833
62 9012 K/CM Marty McNeill, Sanford NC, '85 Monte Car 11.932 12.75 -0.818
63 3473 G/CM Craig Marshall, Columbus OH, '79 Dart 11.341 12.15 -0.809
64 9788 M/CM Gary Peterson, Sophia NC, '95 Mustang 12.241 13.05 -0.809
65 3636 H/CM John McCormack, Oxford MI, '69 Dart 11.495 12.30 -0.805
66 934 B/PS Ronnie King, Pittsboro NC, '69 Mustang 11.847 12.65 -0.803
67 2209 K/SA Jorge Carnero, Miami FL, '78 Aspen 12.174 12.95 -0.776
68 949 H/SA Robert Ayers, Ahoskie NC, '69 Camaro 11.683 12.45 -0.767
69 2318 I/SA Dennis Pope, Kinston NC, '85 Camaro 11.843 12.60 -0.757
70 985 I/CM Gwendolyn Ayers, Akosie NC, '85 Camaro 11.722 12.45 -0.728
71 9911 I/CM Chip Johnson, Fayetteville NC, '79 Malib 11.728 12.45 -0.722
72 9091 H/SA Allen Britt, Clarkton NC, '69 Camaro 11.739 12.45 -0.711
73 9401 C/SA Donnie Moore Jr., Durham NC, '68 Mustang 11.065 11.70 -0.635
74 9043 GT/G Daren Poole-Adams, Shelby NC, '98 Firebi 12.579 13.15 -0.571
75 2896 G/SA Larry Ericksmoen, St. Petersburg FL, '69 11.735 12.30 -0.565
76 1 T/STK Monty Bogan Jr, Jonesville SC, '69 Camaro10.439 11.00 -0.561
77 1303 G/CM Lisa Bolton, Mechanicsville MD, '73 Dart 11.601 12.15 -0.549
78 360 GT/E Laverne Eberst, Chardon OH, '80 Volare 11.955 12.50 -0.545
79 9569 G/SA Corbitt Mashburn, Clinton NC, '69 Camaro 11.774 12.30 -0.526
80 9026 H/S Joe Collins, Castalia NC, '69 Camaro 11.798 12.30 -0.502
81 3988 H/PS Eric Patton, Morningview KY, '86 Mustang 13.911 14.40 -0.489
82 940 E/CM Shannon Waycaster, Gastonia NC, '81 Mali 11.401 11.85 -0.449
83 9891 H/CM Eddie Longhany Jr, Godwin NC, '67 Dart 11.862 12.30 -0.438
84 5891 G/CM Scotty Stillings, Indianapolis IN, '92 C 11.723 12.15 -0.427
85 10 I/CM Randy Tatman, Lawndale NC, '65 Coronet 12.064 12.45 -0.386
86 2005 E/SA Wesley Tucker, Lawrenceville GA, '68 Cam 11.621 12.00 -0.379
87 936 C/PS Brandon Jacobs, Fayetteville NC, '93 Cam 12.599 12.95 -0.351
88 9000 E/PS William Langston, Klenly NC, '83 Camaro 13.180 13.50 -0.320
89 36 A/SA Paul Marcum, Pataskala OH, '70 Challenger10.985 11.30 -0.315
90 9028 GT/E Stacie Ridings, Columbus NC, '86 Camaro 12.190 12.50 -0.310
91 3600 T/STK Truman Fields, Grafton OH, '68 Firebird 10.706 11.00 -0.294
92 911 G/CM Jamie Lucas, Goldsboro NC, '73 Camaro 11.857 12.15 -0.293
93 9724 L/SA Joe Huestis, Wake Forest NC, '85 Camaro 12.769 13.05 -0.281
94 998 E/PS Tommy Hussey, Kinston NC, '01 Mustang 13.233 13.50 -0.267
95 7 F/CM Rickey Morris, Ellenwood GA, '79 Malibu 11.784 12.00 -0.216
96 2333 CT/SA Grace Howell, Aiken SC, '99 F-150 12.969 13.05 -0.081
97 2999 D/SA Chip Moorefield, Knoxville TN, '70 Camaro11.804 11.85 -0.046
98 9561 A/SA Gene Jordan, Reidsville NC, '69 Camaro 11.491 11.30 0.191





Timing data courtesy of CompuLink

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Alex, both of those car were fast. I see I was there in 2000 running N/SA when I first build the car. It was a stock engine with a Crane stocker cam and stock computer. When I was there in 2002 in M/CM I had the 285/265 engine with a stock short block and the 480 lift cam, Victor Jr. intake, and 650 carb.
Goinbroke, the last engine had Ross stock replacement piston, eagle h-rods, stock crank.
Hope this helps. Gary Peterson

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

I would run a 513 gear if i was running a 29.5 or 30" tire. I run 488 with 28" tires.


almack...thanks for posting the FRPP pages.

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

No problem Chris. Glad I could help.

This thread has got me thinking.

I went on IHRA's site and the 302/215 combo is not listed. I don't remember seeing it listed even in the horsepower adjustment page.
My question is whether or not that crate engine is still legal to run :confused:

If so, it would sure give me another choice of class to run with my '89 Coupe.
I could run it as a carb setup in CM or change the intake to EFI and run the EFI class.

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Here you go Alan,

You just didn't look far enough.



http://www.ihra.com/uploadedFiles/Co...orList_831.pdf

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Thanks Alex !
Much appreciated. :)

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Thanks guys, I think mama is gonna get me a 750 holley for Christmas. In the rule book it says any Holley carb , oem or aftermarket 750cfm. It doesn't specify vacuum or double pumper so I'll assume either is ok? (and is dbl pump as obvious as it looks or should I consider vac sec since this is an auto small block and 750 is pretty big)?

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

I keep looking at the factored HP of those 3 crate engines.

The 270 hp is factored @ 250....only 10 more than the 215 @ 240 hp engine plus the 270 uses a larger lift cam, and better heads.

However, the 285 hp is factored at 255 hp. I do not have any literature about the 285 engine combo. ( I would love to see a scanned print copy of that 285 )

It seems to me the 270 or 285 would be a better choice to start with, maybe ?? Larger lift and better heads.

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

most power can be made with the 270. GT40 P heads are better.

I run the 285 motor. original GT40 heads, .480 lift roller cam 1.6 RR. Same motor that came in 1993 Mustang Cobra minus the 1.7 roller rockers. (Factory B303 cam) I actually ran the B303 cam for a few years.

Other than the heads and cam lift, I believe the bottom end of each engine is the same as production 302's.

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Thanks Chris for clearing that up.


The text in the the description for the 270 hp just says "GT40" so I was thinking they were Cobra 5.0 GT40 heads.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...ngines9jpg.jpg

Re: lOOKING FOR SPEC'S 302/215@240
 

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
972 Jamie Holston 2922 Amanda Justice
E1 ****WINNER**** 0.033 11.834 107.70 -0.044 11.196 119.07
H/SA Dial: 11.85 (+/-): -0.016 L/CM Dial: 11.28 (+/-): -0.084
Qualified: #56 11.931 -0.519 #4 11.305 -1.245

Justice went red.

this is our old car we sold back in march....it is the 270/250 hp, the GT40P heads are the better head and choice for a good easy cobo we tried both...the 40P'S flowed better than the regular 40's did....

when Olin set the record in M/CM at the ROCK a few years back he had the GT40P heads on his car saw them myself also...we actually ran quicker but didnt care about setting a record that weekend no points for records anymore means no point to do it anymore

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Alan the 270/250 uses the gt40p heads, the 285/265/255 uses the gt40 heads. The gt valve train refers to valve size as being the gt40 valves. As you can see that our 95 Mustang that we sold to Justice's is a top qualifier with 270/250 engine. It has stock crank, eagle rods, ross NHRA-IHRA stocker pistons, 750 DP holley, Victor Jr. intake, and gt40p heads with a good valve job. The short block for both engines are the same except for the cam lift. As my son Brandon said we have tried both and the 250 is a better combo.
Help this helps. Gary Peterson

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Thanks Gary.

That's good to hear that the 270 has more cam lift and better heads.

It looks like the 270 is the way to go for a carbed/automatic class car. :)

Thanks for the info.

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I'll second the thanks!
GT-40P heads were the ones put on v-8 explorers right? I don't imagine you can buy them new anymore?

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I run the 302 215/240 HP crate motor in my Probe. This is the Explorer crate engine. It has the GT40P cylinder heads. This engine was available from Ford Racing back around 2000.

Here are the specs that were sent to IHRA:

http://9500rpm.com/probe/302-215-exp...rate-specs.jpg

This is from the 2000 Ford Racing catalog:

http://9500rpm.com/probe/crate2.jpg

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Thanks George for posting that !

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Alex,I see that the spec sheet that George posted shows the gt40p head on the 215/240 engine. George said they were on his Probe. I guess that is why Olin had them on his engine at Rockingham. I am glad that is cleared up, I was beginning to thank my old age was catching up with me. I see the cam lift is smaller than I thought it was.
Goinbroke:The last gt40p head that I bought were on craigs list. The first set I bought were new. The hard part of running this head ,is with angle plug, you have to buy headers that fit the gt40p head. Good luck.
Gary Peterson

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I have fitted regular 302 headers on P heads and just changed 2 or 3 of the boots at the spark plugs to 90 deg. boots and that solved the problem.

Of course, with all the different design headers out there, one would have to experiment, but it is possible to use regular headers on P heads.

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Did some searching and gt40 were on explorers to 96. In 97 they went to gt40P heads.
As far as headers, the ones I have now are not optimal so I will be building a set of 1 1/2" primary approx 38-40" long. I'm leaning towards tri Y and possibly crossing pipes under car to have 180headers. Lots of idea's, now to find the engine! Nothing around here but there HAS to be explorers in the junkyards. I'll do a search after I get back from BC.
(hmm, check out the junk yards in BC while on Christmas vacation?....bet THAT won't go over good with the ol lady hehe)


Perhaps this is a dumb question but I also saw the higher lift in the IHRA spec's online and assumed (like a stocker) I could run any duration. According to Georges sheet, the lift is lower and there are spec's on the amount of duration. Is part of the crate motor spec's the exact cam you must use (not just lift)?
Must I use the F4TE-6250-BA cam or any cam with the same lift?

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An IHRA crate motor can use any duration, they only check the lift. Not sure why, but the IHRA tech sheet wanted the duration. They probably use the same form for pure stock specs. Did you use any kind of modeling software for your header design? I used the recomendations from Pipemax and came up with:

1- 5/8" tube for 8 inches
1- 3/4" tube for 8 inches
1- 7/8" tube for 16 inches
3- 1/2" collector

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what heads are on the 270/250 hp engine then?

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Not yet, I was going by an admittedly softer, lower rpm engine. Running ported stock heads on street/bracket stuff I found sbf like 1 1/2" to add torque, especially when the majority is below 6000. With a 4000 converter I guess I don't need to worry about anything below that. My tube bender doesn't have 1 5/8, but I do have 1 1/2 and1 3/4.

Your total of 32" makes more sense due to the higher rpm of this combo. Perhaps 1 1/2" is too small, period? If that's the case maybe I'll run;
1-3/4 X 32" or
1-3/4 X 16" and 1 7/8" X 16"
3 1/2" collector (12" to start)

Header design has always been a facination to me but with mud trucks/street/bracket stuff, I've always concentrated on smaller dia to keep the flow around 300fps and fairly long for lower rpm torque.
(I see 2" pri on a sbc and think "What the....."???) Obviously I've got to rethink some stuff...

Excellent point on the 3 step, never thought of it but with limited lift you do need the pull from scavenging on the back of the valve as long as possible.

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270/250 engines gt40p. 215/240 gt40p, and 285/265/255 gt40.
Gary Peterson

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Gary, I see that you are 100% correct.

Apparently my good buddy George has been lying to me for all these years.
:(
George.....I thought you were my friend. Friends aren't supposed to keep secrets from each other.
No more hot dogs for you.;)

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No secrets here.

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