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Rock and others,

Do you think we could get roadsters included in TS or TD? It would be nice to have some options other that SG and SC. I am sure there are a few others that could run in these classes off the stop. Sure I wouldn't be able to qualify everywhere, but it would be a nice change of pace for some of the slower races. I don't have doors and a roof to qualify for TS and I am left hand steer so I don't qualify for TD. What do you all think?

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They used to years back but it was outlawed....very unlikely.....are there roadsters that cert faster than 7.50????

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Rampy's A/EA car roadster has run deep in the sevens so don't think cert is the issue...

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Rampy drives an Altered, not a Roadster.

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Only got one thing to say about that....DUH! suppose there hasn't been a A/SR run below 7.50?

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Just clearin' things up bro, because alterds are allowed in TD. Im sure there are plenty of Roadsters going faster than 7.50.

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Hey Ryan, Eddyville Iowa allowed left hand steer roadsters in there T/S series in 2011.

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I have a feeling the sponsor was related to you....lol

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Not sure about certification. I don't think mine would go faster than 7.50 anyway. LOL But there are plenty of times when that would be good enough to get in the field in either class. I just don't like it that the roasters are limited to the super classes, bracket racing or money eliminator (comp). When an altered which is not much different can run in T/D.

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We would have to try to develop a Top Roadster class.

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I don't think we need any of the Division 1 roadsters in our class.....lol

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Just what TS needs couple hundred corvette roadsters on the hose.....at the marginal tracks to fill the show....now that might sell some tickets

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Not sure why you felt the need to be sarcastic. No one said anything about selling tickets. It's about the racers and giving us options. I don't know about you, but I don't race for my adoring fans, I race for me!

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If you can get your roadster (TS) or altered (TD) to meet the certification requirements, why not as long as there is a minimum weight rule in place. Or are the guys in TS going to complain about the potential aero advantage of a roadster over a car with a full windshield?

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[QUOTE=Jason Oldfield;298793]If you can get your roadster (TS) or altered (TD) to meet the certification requirements, why not as long as there is a minimum weight rule in place. Or are the guys in TS going to complain about the potential aero advantage of a roadster over a car with a full windshield?[/

I think roadsters should be allowed to run in TD. You would avoid any issues with weight and aero advantages. All open cockpit vehicles in one class. I doubt it will happen any time soon.

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I truthfully wouldn't care which class they allowed them in. Either would be fine with me. It would just be a nice option. Who knows, by the time this would ever happen the classes may be so fast that it wouldn't matter. LOL

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I may be wrong, but if I remember right, a roadster will only certify to 7.50 and that in NHRA's eyes would be where the biggest problem would be. Even with a door car, they will not let a 7.50 cert in the class. It must meet 6.00 cert.
Chuck

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Back in 2000 Division 4 let a 126" wheelbase 1934 Roadster run in Top Dragster at a Divisional. The Dragster guys were pretty upset, because it wasnt a dragster and it went a few rounds. It ran 7.50's. I thought it was cool to see it in the class, considering the next month the guy ran it in S/G and ran a 9:903 @ 176 MPH....pretty impressive.

But I think if you want to run T/S, buy the car to run the class. You want to Run T/D, then buy a dragster or Altered. I think Altereds are cool in T/D when you see one which is not too often.

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Sorry TS310C if you thought I was being sarcastic. I say if you can meet all the chassis rules and can run the number ....your good to go in my book....Its just a bracket race anyway and with the weak turnouts might need some new blood to keep the class alive I know a few superstock guys that could qualify with a little hose LOL I say run em all RUN WHAT YA BRUNG

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Aren't center steer roadsters already alowed in Top Dragster? Seems as though I have seen some, probably old funny cars (would they be just a chuckel car now?).

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Don't be taking shots at me....I thought your comments were funny.....Ryan just doesn't know you.....lol

Ryan....dynamo is a good guy....he runs top sportsman....he's just messing with you....

He remembers way back when they were legal....

I don't think our SS car is quite fast enough.....lol

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From what I've heard it's not too far off! :D

And what's with the 300 seconds between posts? Even posting novels like I generally do, I've come up against the 300 second limit at least 3 times in the last month. ANNOYING!

Still waiting...91 seconds to go....Sigh....

Down to 68 seconds...any day now I'll be able to click the submit button and actually have it take my post.

Cripes...It only took me 27 seconds to type the above comment!?!? COME ON!

Hey! We're making progress...Down to 14 seconds...This SHOULD do it!

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No worries! It actually sounds like we are on the same page.

I just don't see how a center steer altered is any different than a left hand steer roadster. Doesn't make much sense to me. I don't see an advantage.

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I just don't see how a center steer altered is any different than a left hand steer roadster. Doesn't make much sense to me. I don't see an advantage.



Dont go there Ryan, now you'll have altereds wanting to run sg............ lol. Finney would then get to chase.......... lol

Rick

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I thought we already had a Top roadster class, its called SG, Iroc Gas, lol just a few door cars filling in.
Myself I wish the rules would be changed that SG had to be roofed and working doors ect.
Yes i only had open bodied cars when i raced but this has got crazy on the open roofless funny cars in SG.

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Here's where it gets kinky! If one of those altereds wants to run SG then they'll need to take it to the chassis shop and have "Roll BarGussetts" welded in so they can slow down 2 or 3 seconds. This remains one of NHRA'S brighter rules. Ever think about that? They can run 6's without the gussets but we have to have them at 9.90...go figure. TS cars all have to have doors and roofs.

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Tom, as for the gussets, I'm not really sure why they became mandatory other than the stories of the cages failing/ collapsing and maybe thats due do the cage not being on center.

Maybe some engineers could chime in here....



Rick

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Dragsters and center steer roadsters main hoop general align with a down tube in the chassis. Most Roadsters are just setting on top and are not tied into both sides. The older side steer roadsters with real tall cages were coming off on roll overs and killing drivers, the gussets make fair sense to me. I'm not a tech guy but this is my understanding. 2cents

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As Jeff said the usual left steer roadster had a frame that was a system of hoops with the cage sitting on top. Since they were off center it appears that in crashes they were getting twisted off, along with the driver's head and upper body. Even the well built left steer roadsters, Cage hoop running all the way to the lower frame rails, is required to put in the little gussets. There is daylight and dark difference in the center steer alterteds and left steer roadsters. The new Vette bodies are way more aero and the old 27's are like a wing flying upside down. Bad areo. They have no place in TS if you ask me. That is just an accident waiting to kill someone. Yes, I feel I can speak as an authority on left steer roadster. I'm a left steer roadster owner and a survivor of another one that crash @ 154 mph. (Vinny's Comp World champ car)

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Amen...Adger...

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Within a few years, the street roadsters in comp will be knocking on the 7.40's so a cert will have to be developed sooner or later. They are going 7.60's now and will probably go 7.50's in mineshaft air.

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NHRA will probably do like they did before and Change up the class. Back in the 90's they did away with the 5.5 lb per cu in "A" class and moved "B" up to "A". They could downsize the cu in of the class. They might even add weight. You can bet they will slow them down rather than re cert them. The areo on any Comp Legal Street roadster has no business going that quick.

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Just so I understand what you are saying here... You think that a full bodied car is safer than a left hand steer roadster? If that is in fact what you are saying, you never saw some of the cars that used to run T/S in div 3. LOL

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I had mentioned in an earlier post that I don't think that the roadsters will certify any faster than a 7.50. I think that is why they won't let them in. They wont let a door car in unless is has a 6.0 tag on it, even if it will only run 7.90's. NHRA is not going to start trying to police which car has what cert and making sure its not running faster than it is certified for, so the easiest way to do that is not let a 7.50 cert in the class. At least thats my 2 cents worth. lol
Chuck

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Ryan

Obviously a roadster like yours would have a couple of advantages in top sportsman it 's lighter and has much better visibility to drive the finish line.
So if they allowed cars like yours in, it would soon make door cars obsolete.
As far as top dragster it think there could be a safety concern with short wheel base roadsters running in the 200+MPH range (It may not have happened yet, but if allowed it surely would)
So I don't forsee these thing changing in near the future.

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Bill, I see what you are saying but.... The top sportsman fields have been faster than the top dragster fields several times. My point is that the shorter wheelbase top sportsman cars are often faster than most of the top dragster cars (not all of them, but several). They also are allowed to run altereds in top dragster and they have short wheelbases too. Some of them are pretty out of control.

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Ryan, what will your roadster certify to? If you know the answer, then you know the reason
Chuck

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My car is plenty safe to go high 7's (which is all the faster it will go). Not saying I could qualify at every race, but I could at some.

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Ryan, I don't doubt that your car is plenty safe. Like I keep trying to say though is, a top sportsman car has to cert to 6.0. NHRA will not let a 7.50 car run top sportsman. Roadsters wont certify to that, so they are not going to let one in the class. Don't shoot the messenger
Chuck

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Thats actually not true according to the rule book. You only have to be certified for as fast as you are running.