heads- up runs
 

Answer this question with just a number.

In the last 10 years how many Heads up runs hve you had?

What is your Won lost record?

My answers

10

9-1
Chip Johnson

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Are you trying to say your car is underfactored? lol
Chuck

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3

0-3

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So roughly once a year


:-) peace

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Chuck you just got DQed No numbers in your answer.LOL
Remember we got rules here.
By the way the only classes since 2008 have been- HR SR QR TD SST Top E.T.
Chip

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I've raced about 5 complete seasons since 04 . Last year with a new car with a stickshift transmission and had none. If I had gotten past first round at Indy and the other guy and gotten past his we would have raced second round . About 8 heads ups. I think I'm about even in them. I'm not that great of a driver like yourself, so I choked in 3 of them and got out ran the other time. I'm not a good example because I don't race enough or go many rounds like most guys on this site. Ask Lee Zane about his season last year. I think at Leabanon he had 3, would have been 4 if I hadn't gotten past the guy in the previous round. Is this a good enough answer for you?

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HR SR QR and SST are all heads up.
I run SG and SC mostly so I wasn't sure of my record. lol
Now in Stock and SS im 1-1
Chuck

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Last 10 years 1 Lost
Last 16 Years Lost all three
Never won class in the last 16 years except the 98 Winternationals. Special circumstances.

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Lee definately hit the mother load at the Valley.

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Only 1 this year and Jim Bourbuka handed me my *****, lol.

Dennis Breeden

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Between dad and I 5 in the first round alone. Lost all 5. Also a sixth one 3rd round, also a loss.

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Don't let BDD2 hear you say that. He may want to bring back that challange. lol
Chuck

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I decided that in order to get my car back on the track I needed to drop the SS chassis idea since it has taken 4 years to get nowhere with the shop. So I've ordered new Stocker suspension and slicks and even bought back my old stocker engine. It will hit the track this spring.
Three factors lead to this:
1) lack of progress despite $$ spent
2) roller rockers allowed
3) the amount of cars in D/S vastly increases over SS/H. And if we can get the other 95 or so D/SA cars to compete heads-up against D/S, I'm that much happier. I'm a Class racer because I strive for the best and heads-up runs tells me where I'm at. If I looked at Class racing as a bracket race only, I would have stopped racing and saved myself a bundle of cash a decade ago.

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well only one was in the I/SA car, and he DON'T want none

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In Div 1 & 3 there's more heads up runs than you may think.

Had 2 this year in JS/A. None the previous 2 years campaigning this car.

Lost 1st round E-Town National to the car with the sway bar they are not happy with.

Won 2nd round E-Town Divisional when my opponent with one of the fastest cars in the country had an equipment malfunction. Was in line for another but a friend took out the little lady 3rd round.

The national record holder resides in Div 1

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I feel like the heads up runs don't mean much unless they are in a later round.

in 1996-1997 I had a '69 Nova in G and H/SA. Didn't really race it all that much.....

It was a turd......with a wore out engine when I bought it....

I got down to 7 cars at one race with that turd motor and was driving very well. Felt like I could win....BUT...

Was dieing as each round I saw other cars in the same class advance and they were all faster than me....7 cars left 4 were in...H/SA me included...

Bottom line was I got hammered and was done.......at 7cars....

Picked it up a few tenths the following year but was still well behind and than the LT-1's showed up!!.....Sold it...

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Over the years I have witnessed MPR Mike have more than a few. I don't know what the record is for heads-up runs in one race but Mike had (4) in a row at one of the Chicago National events ( all star race event ).

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In the last 10 years between our two cars,I would say we have had at least 50 heads up runs.

I think we have won about 5.

Sometimes at National events,we will lose in class and the ladder comes out,and we will get the SAME car again.

I might point out that you also need to consider how many heads up races you COULD have had if both you and your same class car opponent had advanced.If you lose in round 1 or 2 consistantly,your odds of getting a heads up are usually less.

Take for example a race like the 2011 U.S. Nationals.

Had I attended the event and IF I was able to qualify,I would have been in F/SA.

The eventual winner was Jeff Teuton in an F/SA Drag Pak.

I have to assume that the best any F/SA car could have done at Indy was Runner Up.

I don't care what anybody says,this is NOT Bracket Racing,

In bracket racing,each car has an equal chance of winning.In Stock Eliminator,if you have a poor combo or don't "work" on your car,you have GREATLY reduced your chances of winning....especially in Division 1 and 3 with an A-H car.

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I've had many #1 qualifier positions. Does that factor into Class racing?

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That is another thing that is HUGE.

If you can qualify #1,you will get the first bye run.In some races,you may get more than one bye if you keep winning!

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I had two this year but the possibility of many more. I think the idea of knowing that a heads-up run is possible in the future is as important to class racers as actually running one (especially in Stock). When I get a ladder I look at who I have to race first round and if/when the possibility of a heads-up run will be coming down the line. You have to prepare for it if you are going to run Division 1 because sooner or later its going to happen unless you run from people who are faster. You can only hide for so long up here and as Todd mentioned, title contenders have had their year ruined by one or two heads-ups.

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2 in stock 1-1
2 in superstock 2-0
not many for how many F & G cars in our Div.

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You will have to explain that one to me. If you lose a heads up in a early round you don't see the later rounds.

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I've had a heads up at every national event in the last four or more years. Why? I only go to national events that run CLASS, because S/SS is NOT bracket racing (and it takes two races to make $310 and five days worth it to me).

If you aren't hitting heads up runs in the eliminator in D1 or D3, it's because you aren't winning any rounds! If you don't count class, that's because you aren't a real S/SS racer. Flame on............

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One for one......payed-off not to be early!

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In division 3 if you have an A through G stock automatic car you are going to have heads up runs occasionally. In 2007 the year I was fortunate enough to win the division I had 6 or 7 during the year. Without those heads up runs no way I would have won.

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Haven't had any heads up runs, can't get two cars in my garage side by side....someday...

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I think the point of this questionaire is "look NHRA, there are hardly ever any heads-up runs so let's just drop heads-up runs from the program. Then I can be successful at Class Racing with my brackets racing prowess and not ever have to worry about loosing a round because I don't have the talent, money or time to building a successful class car." :mad:

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That is simply a state of mind. My state of mind is class is not important, there are other that suffer from the same state of mind.

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We have had a few heads up races over the past couple of years, (7 or 8 ) and the only one we lost was to a car that was later found to be illegal.

So I would generally say that we like heads up runs.

And our engine was sealed when we got the A/SA record, so it will stay sealed into the next season

David
The New Hemi Guy

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I don't know how you gleen that out of the original post. It's a good off-season conversation. Can't we just enjoy it for what it is? :confused:

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We have had only one outside of Class....in 3 years....

Larry Jewell at the Norwalk National....I did feel bad for him....really

Rock Haas

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Do you mean the original post of the author of the thread, or when Chip made his statement? When the sugestion was made about "RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG " and "ALL DIAL" thats when the conversation took the turn.
Jeff is dead right, Most bracket guys that want an dial, dont want to race our sport like it was intended to be for the most part. I'm all for good offseason enjoyment. Happy Holidays! :D

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Jeff'
I don't know whether you are a dumb ***** or a smart ***** but that was not the intention of the post. In fact thats one thing I enjoyed about class racing. I enjoyed trying to make my car go faster so I could win heads up runs when I had them.
I wanted to learn something here was the point of the question.
Observations
1) NHRA has a lot more heads up than IHRA
2) Div 1 and div 3 have a lot more than any other according to the racers.
3) There have been a few times when a racer has had multiple heads up in the same race.
4) I doubt 442 has had 50 in 10 years unless you are counting class Your post about Tueton winning Indy is dead on though. I remember going to Norwalk one year Beard had me covered 3 tenths or so. I remembered every rd I won I knew I could'nt when as long as he was still in. I get beat at5 and he made the finals.
5) I would think that most of you have only had a small percentage in actual racing conditions.
6) It really does'nt matter if so and so would have won that round you would have gotten another.

I don't really know where I'm going with this. I mean the possibility is always there so be ready. I do think that is the biggest difference between bracket racing and class racing.
Just remember everytime you put a dial-in on your window you are doing the same thing that JOE BRACKET RACER is doing at the home track on Saturday night.
Chip

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Chip,Are you getting pissed off enough to build another class car? If so build it for both sanctions.

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Yeah, like a SS/IA, SS/JA, GT/EA, GT/DA, or if you can't swing an SS car try a B/SA or a C/SA. Should learn about heads ups there.

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[QUOTE=Todd Hoven;298636]Do you mean the original post of the author of the thread, or when Chip made his statement? When the sugestion was made about "RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG " and "ALL DIAL" thats when the conversation took the turn.[quote]

Sorry, I didn't see that in this thread.

I'm a bracket guy, and for years I've advocated adjustments that would lead to more heads-up racing, yet the majority runs for cover whenever it's brought up. :rolleyes:

Can't remember what my heads-up record is... probably around even. Been #1 Qualifer in my own car once, and in a rent-a-ride once. Got several class wins. In the Eliminator, I've had 3 heads-up wins and 4 losses that I can remember off the top of my head. My first loss was against Rusty Canfield in EF/SA. He had me covered .80 in qualifying, but only beat me by .20. Most fun I've ever had losing! Pulled a rabbit out of the hat to beat Craig Marshall once in G/CM (one of my most exhilerating round wins of my career! ...'course we ran heads-up again the following week and he positively trounced me. LOL)

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Had a 1974 nova for 23 years that I beat on till I ran out of ideas. LOts of heads up runs in that time, don't remember the record but it was real satisfying when I won a close heads up. Best was a Nhra race at Coastal Plains in late 80's, 4 K/sa in the race and I had to run all of them before the race was over. In my opinion that is what class racing is about, seeing how much you can squeeze out.
Mark

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heads up runs are what class racing is all about. however with the almost non existent enforcing of the rules, the bogus new [crate motor] combos,and the under factored old school combos , what are you really proving by beating someone with one of the previously mentioned combos? the only way to make it fair is to hit the combos like they do in comp, so theres no runaway combos like there is now [i know comp has a few soft classes, but not like stock and superstock] then maybe out running your opponent may mean something. beating a F car last spring by a mile means nothing when your a C car in the fall at the same weight as you were in F. the ahfs takes to long to remedy this problem maybe 660 times and the like would help speed up the process of factoring.

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Good post.