2012 Horsepower Adjustments
 

The NHRA Horsepower Adjustments for 2012 are now posted on

www.nhraracer.com/

Travis Miller

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Thanks Travis - For about the fifteenth year in a row one of my combinations got horsepower - Merry Christmas ..........And now I get to send more money to Wilkes Barre , PA ..........................

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No love from NHRA this year on my combo. I guess my paperwork I submitted wasn't compelling enough!!! Oh well maybe next year.

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Well crap ......

Since IHRA follows NHRA's lead, looks like I might have to add 48 lbs to my P/S. :( (94-95 5.0 + 3 h.p to 213)

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Alan,
I look at the HP increase like this. 3 years ago I got us the 5hp reduction and now they took 3 of it back. We are still 2 ahead of the game.
45 lbs is not the end of the world, worth .05 in our cars

Check your PM and have a great Holiday season
ccccc

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I can't speak for the rest of you, but I at least got part of my Christmas wish. Gary Hansen

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what kind of paper work does it take?

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Not necessarily. I doubt IHRA will change yours. Jim


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A stack of $100 bills.

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"The NHRA Technical Department released Horsepower changes December 16, 2011 after review and evaluation of written requests from Lucas Oil Sportsman Series competitors. All changes are effective January 1, 2012. Only those requests received by November 14, 2011 were considered during this scheduled evaluation. Any requests received after November 14, 2011 will be reviewed during the next scheduled evaluation of 2012.

Letter review is part of NHRA's commitment to evaluating input from the Sportsman racing community and is an important element of NHRA's Automatic Horsepower Factoring System. "No Change" combinations are listed so that competitors may see that requests were reviewed by the Technical Department, even though the request resulted in no change.

Requests for horsepower changes or reviews can be sent in writing to: National Hot Rod Association; Technical Department; attn: AHFS; P.O. Box 5555, Glendora, CA 91740; or e-mail, AHFS@nhra.com or bbachelder@nhra.com. Requests for reviews must be received no later than May 31, 2012 to be included in the next scheduled horsepower and index review."


Also be sure to include details such as...Make, Model, Year, Cubic inch, OEM horsepower, NHRA horsepower, Transmission, etc. As can be seen in the current NO CHANGE LIST, some were denied because there was incomplete data in the request.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer; Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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Travis thank you for the all the info and how to go about submitting our request for change.

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Travis,

So why not go one step further and post a form on the NHRARacer.com site with all of the information needed to evaluate a horsepower change request? This would benefit the NHRA because the data would be in a consistent format making the review process simpler and easier for the review committee. It would benefit racers by ensuring all the data required to evaluate their request was submitted - no more "incomplete request."

Just a thought...

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Bills have serial numbers on them Gold coins don't!

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So whom may I thank for getting the slant six hit again? Dammit!

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Larry just read the page on AHFS. It is very clear what you need to do.

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You know I've received several emails from respected racers I know saying the same thing. I hope to hell this isn't happening. If it is I hope you feel all warm and fuzzy inside if you have done this. What a joke.

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The fastest run that I can find for your engine is -1.04 by Mike Jeffery at Earleville this year. 14.58 on a 15.50. Jim



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Jim - Is this a test or new math - I came up with -.92 ..................

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I think that should be 14.458 so the math works out at -1.042

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum is exactly that, my opinions.)

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Ed, this is another reason why I'm looking forward to San Antonio and the IHRA, because at least there you'll be .3 quicker against your index, your wallet will have more in it, due to the lower entry fees for national/divisional events, and you'll get two races in one weekend (March-April Pro-Am)! Furthermore, you'll be able to race Memorial Day Weekend for $5,000 plus contingencies for an entry fee that's $105 dollars less! Reading another thread here about the aluminum cylinder heads being approved now for Stock/Super Stock, makes me wonder if that rule change will allow me to use the OEM ('87 & newer) aluminum cylinder heads that 173c.i. V6's came with on my Cavalier? For some reason, I doubt it! :(

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ED, and see you next year??? :)

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Travis, you notice the guys from down south ain't good on math. Glad you there to reel them in.

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No, it's called "I can't read the numbers". Travis is right, it's 14.458. Sorry 'bout that! Jim


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Nope Gary the heads do not interchange. The aluminum head is very different and uses a different intake and injection system. I ran those 2.8's in FWD in the Caddy for 20 years. Jim


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Bummer... :(

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Plus IHRA just give the OK to electric cars. I hope GE,Baldor and Dayton sent in the right specs.

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I figured it had to be Mike, Was it at Denver?

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Yeah, I got horsepower taken off. Now I can go and take some weight out of the ballast box.
Seems like only yesterday, when I decided to, no, wait, it was in 2004 that I decided to take out all the extra weight I had in the wagon. Stripped it down to the bare minimum. Went to the inaugural Cajun Sportsnationals. Got there and was informed that I got horsepower from the week before due to new record being set. Had to put weight back in. No fun, this sucks.

But now I feel better, think I'll just leave the weight in since I will probably will need it to move around with my weight break, since I cannot move to any other class like others can do.

Maybe I'll just get to minimum weight, put some nitrous and a four barrel on it, get some head work and rollers rockers and go hunt down Bob Shaw's Caddy.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA look out bob

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new stock legal light weight seats would help you get to the minimum too.

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Careful Ron, the Koopmans and the Class of 65 Car could be lurking....so you write the request to get hp off? I wish the U/SA revival of a few years ago would be "resurrected". Think it's a neat class!

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Chris1529, do they have the new light weight bench seats, don't like bucket seats as you can't put stuff next to you and you end up reaching down with your harness restricting you. Hey, it's a wagon, you gotta have some amenities.

jmcarter,
No I did not write anything to NHRA tech. I wrote once long time ago when the Buick of Lloyd MacKay set the record in R/SA, T/SA and U/SA. In the letter I had graphs, commentary, and grids comparing my combo to the Buicks, the '65 Dodges and Bob Dennis Olds Cutlass. The Dodges had 100 lbs more weight to carry as they had more cfm with their Stromberg vs my B & B. Then they changed where all of us were at the same weight for the top/bottom of the class breakdown, but they still had a cfm advantage.
The Buicks were self exclamatory with their advantages. And Bob Dennis car was 600 lbs lighter with a four barrel and questionable serial numbers. It was all on paper to decipher that there were indeed major differences, but nothing was done about it and I just continued running Bob for class.
So as you can see there is no reason for me to write NHRA about anything technically.
And now with the pre factored HP ratings from Ford with their Mustangs, now you really fast cars get an idea of what nonsense that I have been putting up with for years.
With HP taken off for me finally, only a couple of decades later, I can rejoice now that it really doesn't matter.
As far as the record being set and getting HP at Belle Rose, the nice thing was that Dick Moreland called prior to setting the record with Clayton Wright and informed me of what they were planning. They wanted to know if I objected, and if I did they were not going to go for it. My response was that it is a performance category and that they should go for it.

It really would be cool to get all the U/SA's together again, it was a blast. We did have four U/SA's at CFR in Orlando for a SSSSA race last year.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA I need 100 HP taken off

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Checking the class guide, I only find the stick car getting hp off. 165 to 162!

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Thanks Tony, I thought something was different. I am rated at 171 hp now. When I look in the classification guide I can only find 180hp rated at 165. Where can I find the HP rating page?
If what you say is true, then I am OK because I did not take any weight out yet, but I am inclined to still put nitrous in it.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA I am tired of weighting.