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Bill or anyone else,

Does the MWSC have a schedule for next year yet?

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Ryan

Kwas is "working on it" We usually have to wait until the NHRA and IHRA schedules are out to avoid having a conflict with them. Then we need to talk to all five race tracks and see were they can fit us in to their schedules as well.
I know that the MASCA has posted their schedule but ,they only go to two tracks and have eight races. Where as we (the MWSCS) go to five different tracks for 14-16 races.So it takes us a little longer.

You can bet that I will post the 2012 MWSCS schedule as soon as it's finalized!

Thanks for asking! :D

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I see Route66 has us listed on their schedule for a couple of races. What are the 5 tracks that are you guys looking at for next year? Personally, I would like to see it at our 4 core tracks:Byron,Cordova, Route 66 and the Grove.It seems when the MWSC travels to tracks other than those four, they pick up racers for that particular race, but those new racers never seem to go to any of the other MWSC races to help support the series.

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Well were once again going to Indy and while we do not get a lot of racers by traveling beyond our four core race tracks you mentioned if we don't try to let other people experience racing with us ,we will stop growing and our numbers will shrink and eventually there won't be enough of us to make it worth while.(Every year we lose one or two racers )
Then you'll be back to towing 4-8 hours to go to the NHRA/IHRA races which in the case of the NHRA represent 3-4 days and only one race.( Not to mention the poor payout)
We have in the past gone to Earlville, Havanna, US 41, and Martin all of which we have not gone back to for various reasons.
Ryan is an example of someone we may picked up on because we went to Earville.
If you have some suggestions as to other ways to attract racers to give us a try I'm definitely interested.

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Bill, for what it's worth I think you have a point. I didn't race with you last year, but I just didn't get out much last year. The year before that I raced with you at Cordova and Earlville (both good tracks for the most part). If you want to grow at all or at least gain new members to make up for those that "retire" you will have to expand your area a bit. I would like to plan to attend some races with you guys this year if I can make it work. I would like to say I will be able to race a bit more than I did last year and I enjoy racing with your group. Depending on the dates, I would like to go to Cordova, route 66 and possibly Indy. I would prefer to only go to the 2 day races as it obviously makes more sense to hit 2 races with one tow if possible. I don't think you will see me at Byron (Ron drives me nuts) and I haven't been to the grove since NHRA stopped racing there years ago. From what I remember it was rarely safe enough to run 1/4mile there and we often had to switch to 1/8th mile.

Just my .02

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Ryan

We all, as you stated "would prefer to only go to the 2 day races as it obviously makes more sense to hit 2 races with one tow if possible."
That's why it's so fustrating when some tracks only want to give us one day races (last year we when to one on Saturday and another on Sunday)
We each of us pay the race track for the use of their facilities at the gate and ask for nothing but a little track time and it difficult in some cases to understand why they don't want to take our money?.
Were all about affordable fun racing with a fair payout and getting two chances to race in a weekend just make sense to us too.

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For what it's worth, we in the Pacific Northwest Super Comp Association (pnsca) are having the same problem. We have a couple of tracks that insist they don't have time for us, and we're looking at scheduling doubleheaders on Friday night/Saturday. It's frustrating.

One of the issues we're seeing is that a couple of tracks that have road/circle courses give those racers preference. They run in the rain, they don't require the same track prep, and I guess they make more money running them. It's a real issue for us finding weekends to run.

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What we have been trying to do is illustrate the number of dollars we bring in and the minimal amount of track time we use. However one of the tracks is focused on scheduling Friday night and Saturday races which works well for the local racers but since most of our racers have to tow more than one hundred miles to get there and most of our guys are working stiffs Friday nights are not too popular. The track maintains that their car counts when they open on Sunday are significantly down from Friday night or Saturday.

The other track is primarily focused on supporting the NASCAR track across the street and it’s rumored that except for their national event weekend they wouldn’t even be open and that without intervention of the NHRA that they wouldn’t even have bracket program.
Perhaps the revenues generated from normal weekly operations are considered insignificant when compared to the revenues generated by the NASCAR track. While I’m not sure this is true, it appears to be so.
Fortunately we don’t have to share with the road or circle track racers but it’s understandable that if the track management makes more money that way, it is their focus.
We have a long (more than 25 years) and positive history with three of the tracks within 100 miles of Chicago and we continue to seek out other tracks that can see the positive finical aspects of doing business with us. :cool:

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Bill, I am not sure exactly which track is the first one you are talking about, but I know exactly which one the second track is. Which tracks didn't want to do 2 day races last year? Cordova (which makes no sense to me), RT 66 and Indy? Cordova is close enough for me that I would consider going to a one day race there, however if it were a two day race I don't think there would be a question in my mind about going. RT is also very close to me and I would probably come up for a one day race. I won't drive all the way to Indy for one day though.

I feel your pain, years ago when I helped with the North Central Super Gas Association we had some difficulties dealing with tracks. I don't know the particulars of what they make on a normal bracket weekend, but it must not be good if they are so reluctant to be open. I think that if some of these tracks did some marketing they might actually get a few spectators. (i.e. Norwalk) It seems like they just think they will open the gates and people will come running.

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Hey Billy, what about Gateway ?......... I know milage my be some issue but it is easy access !

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Rick
Gateway is a possibility but as you noted the mileage could be a problem for me it's 230 mi and for the guys in the Chicago area you can add 60 to that so your getting close to 300 miles one way.
But it is a pretty good road:)
You never know, I'll ask Kwas if he has had any contact with them.:)
I'm thinking that the new management team may need to get it's bearings before we can contact them.

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Gateway is a great track and for me it isn't that much further than RT66 or Cordova. I understand it is difficult dealing with these tracks and I wish you all luck in setting up your schedule. I hope that I have the opportunity to race more often this season and therefore can actually run some of your races. I guess my opinions don't hold much weight since I never even made it out to run with you guys last year. LOL :)

For what its worth... I hope they don't have so many races at Byron this year. Last year they could have almost called it the Bryon Super Comp Association. Again, just my opinion and since I don't run with you guys that often, take it for what its worth. I also understand that you have to take what you can get and if Ron and BJ are willing to work with you then I can see why it worked out like that.

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Ryan

Your statement “I guess my opinions don't hold much weight since I never even made it out to run with you guys last year. LOL ” is simply not true, we do value your opinion if you race with us once a year or fifteen times a year.

Regarding Byron, Ron and BJ they have consistently worked with us from the very first MWSCS race and would have us there every weekend if we wanted. Resultantly most of our racers (my self included) love racing there.
When we need to fill a spot in our schedule we usually think of them first.
But we as an organization cannot allow our series to become the “Byron Super Comp Series” as it’s just not fair to the guys who tow from the Cordova, Joliet/ Chicago and Wisconsin areas. And as we discussed earlier we need to continue to expose more racers to our type of racing.

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Bill, I truly believe you! However, I think my point was that I don't want to be that guy that has an opinion about everything but never comes to the races. I hate that. LOL I understand that you have your whole membership to satisfy and that I am just one person. Just wanted to make sure you knew I was aware of that. ;)

Thanks!

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Hey Bill,
Whats been the feedback on Earlville (Tri State)?
I know they would like to have some races?
Rick

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Rick,

Bill mentioned that the membership complained that Earlville was too far of a tow for most of them. I would love to go back there. The only complaint I had that weekend is that they didn't prep the track very well and I had trouble making it down. Even Jarod was spinning the tires in the dragster. At the Division race the track was great though! I think Bill just needs to spend more time on the track if they are going to have some faster cars there. Otherwise, great facility and great people! I would love to see another MWSCA race there.

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Billy, I,m just guessing here but I would say , for the most part, most of your membership geographically lives in the north central area ie; n. ill, s. wisc, and Iowa. And by that, looks like once you got all that areas super racers as members your growth will stop.
However, by extending out to other areas like st. louis, Indy, evansville maybe to get a larger market area the org would have to grow in numbers.

Yes travel is a real consern for all right now (no matter how deep the pockets are) .
But what also a consern is the bad taste that racers are getting with NHRA and all that bull.
Racers would conseider other venues if they were available.........

Just my 21/2
Rick

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Gateway is a possibility but as you noted the mileage could be a problem for me it's 230 mi and for the guys in the Chicago area you can add 60 to that so your getting close to 300 miles one way.



But you what me to drive North !!............... lol lol lo

Just kiddin with ya !

Rick

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Ryan, We didnt own a dragster last year??

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My bad! The MWSCA didn't run at Earlville last year. This was the season before last. Sorry, they all start to blend together after a while.

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Oh my............ according to the news, gas will be well over $4.00 a gal. before too long. That make traveling more fun !

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We are working on potentially scheduling two days on Labor Day weekend (Saturday & Sunday) at Earlville The track has offered it to us,
But we need to get the approval of our Membership (the voting is pending) before we put it on the schedule.
We( the Board) are hesitant to commit to the track that we will be there and only show up with 10-12 cars.
I'll keep you posted.

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Rick
Your right when you guess that most of membership geographically lives in the north central area ie; n. ill, s. wisc, But we need to balance the cost of travel versus our need to grow when the travel gets too costly both in terms fuel and time on the road then we start to lose racers.
Also we don’t want to show up at a race track with a poor car count (i.e. >16 cars) because at some point the race track won’t consider us worth bothering with. Plus our winners and runner up monies with a low car count is reduced.

Regarding “But what’s also a concern is the bad taste that racers are getting with NHRA and all that bull” Well that why we started the Midwest Super Comp Series 25 years ago. However it’s been our experience that, the prestige of winning a Wally and an NHRA race overrides people’s common sense.
For example last year approximately eighty super comp racers showed up at Joliet for the div 3 race and paid $180 and spent 3 days there to race one race for $1200. If the MWSCS could draw that many cars we would pay $2700 to the winner and $1350 to the runner up and we would give you two races in two days for $200 in entry fees!
If we could just draw thirty six cars we would pay the winner $1215 plus (and this is big) one half of the racers (everyone who won one round or more) would have gotten paid as well.

We (My son and I) were at Joliet because it was on 15 mi. from home but after three days and winning two rounds we didn’t get paid enough to cover half of the money we dropped at the gate, At which point my adult son looked at me “What are we doing here?” and I didn’t have an adequate answer.

So when you state “Racers would consider other venues if they were available” except for a small minority that not really true. It’s very difficult to get Drag Racers to think logically instead of emotionally. We pay 100% of our entry fees back to the racers yes the track does get their money out of us at the gate but we pay out 100% because we (the Series/Board) are not in this to make a profit were in it because we love to race and want to keep it affordable and have enough money in our pockets on the way home to buy a couple of cheese burgers.

Enough preaching I'm sure there are others who defend the NHRA and their contingency payout monies so I’ll get off this soap box now.

P.S. If you send me you mailing address I’ll send you a compass and you can just follow the needle! LOL:)

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That would be AWESOME. I would be up for that.

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Sorry guys that would be Labor Day weekend not Memorial Day weekend.:(:o

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Oh, well that would still be cool. That is the weekend before the D5 points race up there. The only issue is that is the same weekend as Indy. Probably won't matter for us, we have not gone in a couple of years. But others may go.

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The 2012 MWSCS schedule:

Listed below is a tentative 2012 schedule which will be confirmed by the drivers meeting scheduled for Sunday March 11th at Pops in Roselle, IL or sooner.(Anyone can attend and vote or voice an opinion)


Sat May 5 Rt. 66
May 19 - 20 Byron
Sat June 2 Rt. 66
June 23 - 24 Great Lakes
July 14 - 15 Indy
Sat July 28 Cordova
Sun July 29 Byron *
Sept 1 - 2 Earlville
Sept 22 - 23 Byron

We will have a booth at the "Race & Performance Expo" at Pheasant Run in St Charles, Il February 25th & 26th. Stop by to pick-up your 2012 calendar or T-Shirts. Call Rich Kwas to pre-order T's or Sweatshirts.

We are looking for your imput for 2012 celebrating our 25th year. Call A.S.A.P. with your ideas. Get well wishes go out to Greg Kolinek who is recovering from heart by-pass surgery.
( We welcome input from anyone, member or not! BB)

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Board Member Rich Kwasiborski Home: 708-478-1189
Cell: 708-743-6150

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Looks great guys. I know it is difficult to get these schedules together and you have done a good job. I just can't believe that Cordova and RT66 wont give you 2 day races!! Are they open the other day? Unfortunately they are the 2 closest races for me. :( I will try to make a few races this year, I do enjoy running with you all.

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That's Great and RT 66 will be open on the Sunday for bracket racing.
Hope to see ya there!!:)

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I lobbied Cordova's folks a couple times. I'd like to run more MWSC this year but the dollars available and fuel costs will tell the tale. No motorhome makes for trailer camping for us on two day races.

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Don
Yea they are pretty well structured around a Friday night / Saturday schedule
which works well for the local guys but it's tough to get there on a friday night after work when your towing more than 100 miles.
Because of the Friday night/Saturday schedule they really don't draw very many cars on Sunday unless they have a big bucks bracket race. So while it's disappointing it's also understandable why they don't want to be open on Sunday.
Hope to see ya when we do come out there!

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For those who will be running the Div5 race the next weekend, would they be able to get parked and leave their stuff there after the MWSC race?

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I know they have allowed that in the past.

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It's my understanding that they will

BB