NHRA answers the seat question
 

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...But considering that a Biscayne would have came with a bench seat, can you legally use any bucket seat, even those from a 65 Impala?

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Did they forget this important information?

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I think NHRA means that if your stock seat has a headrest built in, you don't need to fabricate one on your roll bar.

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Did you guys click on the link I provided to the NHRA technical web site ? I think buckets were optional in a Biscayne ? Original bench is totally trashed so this is a lower cost safer alternative . I have one good black bucket [original style ] I am installing on the pass. side. ---Trevor

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Negatory !
BTW, one stock bench is usually lighter than two buckets (of the same family, of course)

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Trevor, I think you'll be pretty unhappy if you show up with an early Biscayne and a later Corvette driver's seat to run Stock, unless the tech guy is either blind or doesn't care.

If you're going to try that, you'd be really wise to get the approval in writing from Glendora. Unless of course you don't mind wasting a weekend and the attending expenses.

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There is a recent mile-long thread on stocker seats:
http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=37616

Bottom line, the seats must have come in your year, model car.

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Unless he's building a bracket car?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH What difference does it make?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????? oh maybe a performance advantage?

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Desite their best efforts, maybe NHRA would like to keep at least a little bit of "stock" in Stock Eliminator. I just wish that they had have let in so much other stuff "slide by" over the years.

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Does a hemi car running 8.20s need the same amount of safety equip that an 8.90 super comp car does?? and what is funny a pro stock truck would not pass super gas rules the rules seem fair? we have stockers runninning fasster than super gas with factory stuff but pro stock trucks wont pass for super gas what a country?

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It is NHRA, after all, lol. They still think electrons flow from the cathode to the anode, unlike the rest of the world... .

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What is safety coming toooooooo?????

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yea me tooo

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Good luck racing in an ET class with a Corvette bucket seat mounted in your 65 Biscayne.

However if you plan on running in Stock Eliminator with your 65 Biscayne, then you must use the correct front seat for the car as stated in the Stock section of the rulebook under Upholstery. The correct front seat for your particular car in Stock is a bench seat. If it is a 2dr then it needs the bench seat that folds forward allowing entry into the rear seat area. If it is a 4dr then it needs the type that has the solid one piece upright portion that does not fold forward. The two different type of bench seats may not be interchanged.

While the quote you originally made is from General Regulations, you need to first read another section of the rulebook.

Before referring to the General Regulation section of the rulebook, one should read the section in the front of the rulebook titled How To Use This Rulebook. That section discusses how certain Class Requirements override statements in the General Regulation section.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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Trevor What Travis said is the Bible ........ but if you are only going to race in the FJ Smith Hot Rod Association or the IHRA you will get away with it .....

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Hey, Mike, I believe this thread is about seats, not me.

....and has been satisfactorally answered.

FJ

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This was a cheap shot to FJ and the IHRA and totally irrelevant, untrue and unnecessary. Shame on you. If I were FJ, I would send "Too Tall" Dave Turner over to your house to beat you to a pulp! Jim


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read it the way you want ! is it not true ?
"opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions"

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The link is the first thing I looked at but when it comes to Stock Eliminator, Class Requirements still override statements made about General Regulations no matter where they are posted.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions. When it comes to teching a vehicle, we will see how my opinions hold up.)

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As the NHRA online answer was a question about an F/SA GM A-Body, the answer was poorly written. Based on that answer, and that answer alone, I'd say a racer could put a integeral headrest seat in the car.
I'd say NHRA tech needs to re-address the issue for clarity. NHRA did not specify that a head bumper (or whatever you call those) attached to the roll bar may be acceptable, nor did they specify that a factory make / model / year seat is the only seat allowed.
And when did NHRA mandate the seat be from the same make / model / year anyways? Previously it was mandated the seat was from the OEM but did not mandate the same year / model.

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While it isn't the clearest response possible, it does mention the requirement of particular classes for "low back" seats.



It appears that clearly addresses the question of a class such as Stock Eliminator having a specific seat requirement.


NHRA is never going to be the poster child for clarity. I figure that is why the guys in tech, when asked a question, or presented with a quandary, will almost always tell you to "get in writing from Glendora". Which is why I always tell people, if you have a disagreement with the rule book and/or tech inspector, get clarification from Glendora in writing and keep it with the car at all times.

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The wording was added to the 2011 rulebook.

For many years the rule was clear enough and everyone understood that the correct seats must be used in each stocker. Then a few weight conscious stock racers around the country began pushing the rule by using a 4dr bench seat in a 2dr stocker because "it was an OEM seat of the same manufacturer as the car." One stock racer even went as far as to have a dark stripe sewn in the middle of the solid upright part of the 4dr seat making it appear at a glance that it was a seat from a 2dr car that could fold forward allowing access to the rear seat area.

Another typical case of pushing a rule too far.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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kinda on the same subject.... is it OK to brace the seat back so it doesn't recline?
rambler guys know what i mean;)...

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Bracing the seat back on a stock seat is allowed, especially one that could go under the crossbar.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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Polhill lives closer.....and he's a lot meaner than me. :p

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Mike, we all choose a slightly different direction at the "crossroads" don't we?? :rolleyes:

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Polhill........ mean? Hahaha! He's a wimp! Jim:eek:

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Rules amendment for Stock and Super Stock today....passenger seat must match....

"Driver and passenger side seats must be identical in appearance. See General Regulations 6:2. (1/15/2013)"

Some folks may need to double down on their recent purchase...

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Uh oh !

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps5d197386.jpg

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Yup, I knew that wasn't gunna fly when I first saw it! Oh well, the owner of that particular vehicle has plenty of bucks so it won't matter!:rolleyes: Jim


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So is it permissible to install two identical front bucket seats, aftermarket or OEM replacement, in a vehicle that bucket seats were not originally available in?

(I realize this thread was started way before the recent rule[s] changes, but I just wondered if this might be another "get it in writing from Glendale" scenario.)

Lew

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Lew , I'd just put in one racing seat (whatever that means. I guess you have to buy it from Jegs or Summit)
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Your car came with one seat...One out ,one in

The new "Stock Eliminator"

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SO this is NOT legal !!

D

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I wouldn't call it illegal, it's just that NHRA clarified a new rule as they often have to after implication. I'm sure Mr. Miele will take care of the issue and will be compliant.

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So let me get this straight...... You can remove the 150 pound bench seat and replace it with two lite bucket seats. Two questions, if you have a 13 second stocker that doesn't require a roll bar is this still acceptable without a bar and is the stock restraint still acceptable with the aftermarket seats???

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would you be able to do this in a bracket car that didn't need a roll bar or not-- does anyone out there have any backround if this has been accepted at a santioned bracket race like the et finals- if you follow the rule book to a t you need a bolt on the back attached to the cross bar if it is an aftermarket approved race seat. Otherwise only a factory seat with headrest could be used without rollbar. Thats the way I see the rule book

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i dont have an NHRA rule book, but the IHRA gives a "recommended" style of seat mounting. i couldnt find in the IHRA book where it said how many bolts are required. i do remeber back in the early 90's we installed a light weight seat in our 13.0 bracket car with no cage and were told to put a support bracket to the back of the seat by the tech guy. we ran a bar from where the rear seat mounting area was.

Ian