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Just an FYI for the Nostalgia guys or anybody else interested, although I didn't speak to Mr. Stahl himself, a couple of guys in the shop assured me that Stahl is still in the header building business! They still have their old jigs and if they were asked to they could build new sets of the good old, hard to find, Jr. Stock fenderwell types or anything else you might need. They also have a good stock of flanges, collectors and tubing.

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That's good to know...came across their website looking for a application list and pricing on the headers being offered. http://www.stahlheaders.com/

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1190/1...6d5_z.jpg?zz=1

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They're in a little bit of a state of flux right now, I'd call about what you're interested in!

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Bought a set of headers for the Chevelle last year...going to follow up with an order for some additional pieces soon. Not only can they make the Nostalgia stuff...they can make headers for most applications and always had an emphasis on the class-type stuff...and also they make some "engine-swap" headers as well.

But I would call first...I thought they were going to sell some of their tooling...HEY...if you're in the market for some new headers...or even some pieces...give them a SHOUT ! I'm sure they would appreciate that!

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I've swapped emails with Jere, but not talked to him on the phone. Last we spoke on the phone, Jere was still going to sell all the pieces in weld up kits, he just wasn't going to sell complete finished headers.

I don't know that he ever found anyone who would buy enough of the business for him to sell it. He was always going to keep the tubing bender and sell pre-bent tubing and parts to the buyer of the jigs and other property.

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Amazing,,,,,,,,,,,,,Stahl Headers,,,,,,,

Seems like every small block 55' thru 57' Chevy Junior Stocker in the
60's and early 70's were wearing a set of Stahl Headers...

pc

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Jere Stahl is a very interesting person for sure.

If you look up the word character and I think you will see a picture of him.

He marches to the beat of a different drummer for sure.

Opinionated would be putting it in a nice way.

I remember when Dick Moroso went to work for him in the mid 60's and that lasted about 1 1/2 to 2 years before they split.

Jimbo

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What do you mean exactly...do you know if they are open year round for business, or do they just do 'special jobs' on request...does he have anyone working for him to weld up any header orders that come in, or is that why he sells them as header kits.

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That was a bad choice of words to say the least! They are open every day, they have people waiting to build headers for new stuff or old. Sorry for any mixup.

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I still have the set of Stahl Headers that I ran on my SS small block Demon back in the day, 32 years old. They are in great shape, not coated, VHT painted only, and to this day zero rust! I can't figure that out! Jim


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Can you post a pic of them. ;)

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...4&d=1305894148

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Now here's an old Stahl headers ad for you Camaro stockers out there.
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/s.../Stahlad69.jpg

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What I can do is take a pic of them and send it to you if you send me your email. They are in 50 pieces in the trunk of the Demon in the shop. My email is jimwahl@embarqmail.com


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Jim that's okay, I thought that they were still installed on the car, and if the headers are off of it, I presume the motor is out of the car then too, because it sounded like you were still driving this thing around...so what do you have to do to it to get it back on the road.

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Moose, The car is here on jack stands in the shop. It's a 15,003 mile '71 Demon 340. The engine is in Tennessee, slowly getting machine work. It has a lot of work to get it back on the track as its still got SS springs, pinion snubber and drum brakes etc. The headers are in the trunk where they have been for many years. I just don't understand why they don't rust? Jim


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Here's an old shot of Woodro Josey's Camaro with Stahl Headers.
http://i46.tinypic.com/20ts11z.jpg

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Huh, I didn't know they made these parts as well back then...anyone here ever use'em.

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attac...9&d=1308094134

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OMG DOES THIS BRING BACK MEMORIES !!! Previously (1964) Jere had a 56 Chevy in E/S, also out of Cordia Chevrolet, when I was driving the original "Bad Banana" '57 283 fuel injected 9 pass wagon in F/S, owned by Ted hartman. We went to East Haddem CT to set the Nat. record; and Jere converted his 56 to F/S to also get the record. We did get the record, and also beat Jere in Eliminations. Ralph Truppi and Tom Kling of Truppi and Kling fame were, also there in their 58 348" F/S and after seeing the Bad Banana, they sold that car and built the '57 wagon "Terrible Tangerine" car.
I'm glad to hear that Jere is still around and kicking. I would love to know how to reach him. Please let me know on my e-address colbertdave13@gmail.com

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So who's this guy..whats the story on this '55 Chevy, can you post some info on the engine & trans and some of the et @ mph times that it ran Dave...anyone ever tell you you look like Bob Falfa from American Graffiti. :cool:

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=5720

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Hey guys...was that shot taken at Dunkirk?

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First picture I've seen of him with a cigarette while racing,,, think that short fella from Malvern, Penn used to smoke a little too. The only one I can remember famous for that habit was Landy and his cigars,,, you guys remember any others??
Danny Durham

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Sorry, I can't do it. I hardly remember it. It seems I drove it one day for some guy; and yes it was at Dunkirk. Can't remember much about it. Where, in Gods name, did you get this picture ??????????
I think I was about 18 years old !!!!!!!

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Yeah, the "Grump" and Landy both smoked cigars - I do think I remember Jere with a cig. Not sure I ever saw Landy's cigar lit !!

I remember Jere saying to me at St. Pie, Quebec, when they used to have a National event there, and he was trying his hand at Pro Stock, how bad it was to be on the road. He said:

"Traveling sucks, you can't eat right, you can't ***** right and you can't F**k right - and what else is there !!!"

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Now theres some words to live by,,,, come to think about it, he nailed it when it comes to traveling. I am a little jealous however, by some of the travels taken by our modern "Western Swingers,,Southwestern Swingers and Eastern Swingers" like Larry and Patsy, Jack, and the others on here.
Danny Durham

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I forgot about these Stahl tires...

http://www.colesy-juniorstockforum.c...le.php?id=1241

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Did you guys know that is where Moroso and Duffy had gotten their starts, working for Jere, and I heard living over a garage (not sure if that part is true)?

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Hey H-Moose. I found, in another of your posts, the Jere Stahl G/S that I was talking about at CT Dragway running F/S, when we set the record with the B- Banana. It is in your post about old stockers in your bit about "Junior stockers"

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Hey Dave, maybe post a few comments in that thread about the old 'junior stock days' and who had what just to get that topic rolling... Anyway here's another shot of the Jere Stahl '66 426 Hemi Belvedere prepared by Bill Stiles of 'Stiles Performance'.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...1&d=1232293889

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OK, what's the story, is Stahl still maling headers or just kits?

JimR

PS, last I looked Jere's Hemi car was in Floyd Garret's Muscle Car Museum in TN>

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I thought I saw a notice posted by Jere that he was no longer selling completed headers but was selling the parts that would need to be welded.

For those who never dealt with Stahl, rest assured that you didn't just call him up and order some headers for your car. He would insist on massive information including head specs, camshaft events, and almost every facet of your set up. Only then would he build a set of headers and they would be specific to your car, engine, and program.

I had the occasion to work with Jere some years back on a Pro Stock R&D project. There isn't enough bandwidth on the internet to properly explain the guy.

We would have hour long conversations where I struggled to keep up with his thoughts. It was almost like listening to a foreign language in that you'd grasp a bit here and there and try to put it all together. He uses a lot of science and physics to approach any problem and doesn't settle for "conventional wisdom".

I don't think he gets the credit due for being a true pioneer of the sport. He invented so many things we take for granted. At that time, in that area, we had some genuises at play. Think of Stahl, Jenkins, Moroso, Stiles - the list goes on.

If I'm not mistaken Jere was the first to use low pressure in the rear tires, adjustable collectors, bead screws, and was involved in the development of slapper bars. His refusal to accept "good enough" led to his legendary front tires and cable-driven tach among other items.

He was in a quest to qualify dynos, being tired of finding results that didn't reflect better performance on the track. He alone was responsible for a major step forward in getting repeatable and valid numbers. His emphasis on accurate measurement got him looking into data acquisition and he was one of the few who understood my insistence on much higher sampling rates than was available at that time.

As an example of his attention to detail, while working with dirt car engines he actually modified his dyno so that the engine could tilt to mimic the car going through a turn.

He's an unusual person to say the least, but he's one of a handful of people that really influenced my thinking and methods.

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That's a nice write up about Jere Stahl...sounds like a guy ahead of his time.

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I had reason to stop by the shop a couple of weeks ago for some stuff and was assured by a couple of guys in the shop (not Mr. Stahl) that if someone wants a set of headers, they will build them for you. Maybe the notice was a bit premature.

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Anyone have a picture of the original Stahl Traction bar?
I would love to get hold of the 2 x 4 carbs and manifold he used on the 56 cars. Purely Science I bet....

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The single traction bar set-up from Stahl Engineering.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...7&d=1245105337

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I've always liked his old '66 & '67 Hemi cars...here's a couple of old shots of his '66 426 Hemi Belvedere 2 door sedan.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...2&d=1240792003
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...0&d=1240792003

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Years ago when I visited his shop, he showed me a 56 (57?) car that he planned to build as one of his junior stockers but drive on the street. As far as I know he never finished the project but I bet it would have opened some eyes.

As an interesting aside, he was telling me that a very large portion of his business at the time was building headers for BMW straight sixes. He was a bit unsure how he came to get that business. I've never been very politically correct and told him I'd bet that the bimmer yuppies were under the impression that someone named Stahl was a German engineer who had escaped from the factory.

Other than his stuff was very effective (as usual) I've never heard a better explanation as to why sporty car guys would flock to an died in the wool hot rodder.

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Well if you have a reason to talk to him, ask him about his Mazda Miatas and his Volvo SCCA cars.

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Paul, Thanks for posting the AD with the traction bar. I have a contact at Stahl who has located one for me.... I need the heims and wasnt sure if they were solid or movable.
Dick Butler
I sold my Stahl headers from my car about 2 or 3 years ago and sure wish I could remember where they went. I would like to have them back for this project....

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Dick, they will make you a brand new set! They even have a couple of sets on the shelf still!

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My friend the zinger has a set of vintage stahl headers for 1957-1962 corvette,i've seen them,......vht paint....no rust!...welds would make a(nyc)ironworkers local 580 finisher smile!....even billy liked them!!!!(lol)