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gumbalaya 01-20-2012 07:18 PM

Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Hey guys, I have been debating this inside my head for the past 2 years or so, and I need some expert advice!

Which would be a better Stick-Shift Stocker, a C4 Corvette or a C5 Z06?

I like the C4, and it seems as though it would be fairly straight forward to build, but I like the C5 more (quicker, better looking, etc.). However, making the transaxle in the Z06 work has me concerned, as in, should I go with a solid axle or keep the IRS, is there a manual tranny that will work back there, etc.

Also, with the factory rating on the Z06 motor already at 405, is there much more that can be rung out of it compared to the LT4 in the C4?

Any input is greatly appreciated!!

Chad Rhodes 01-20-2012 07:24 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
C4, and I have a roller 93 I'll sell you

gumbalaya 01-20-2012 09:02 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 304909)
C4, and I have a roller 93 I'll sell you

I think you might be just a little biased!

Why are you selling?

Chad Rhodes 01-20-2012 10:36 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gumbalaya (Post 304925)
I think you might be just a little biased!

Why are you selling?

Started working on it, but had a killer deal on my 92 camaro fall in my lap

BlueOval Ralph 01-21-2012 10:37 AM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Be careful on Z06 as it has 4 things that in production that are listed as no nos even though it has been in guide for at least 2 year! *** rods and intake valves, CNC ported heads, and dry sump! The wizards at NHRA did not even know about the CNC heads till about a year ago!

Quote:

Originally Posted by gumbalaya (Post 304904)
Hey guys, I have been debating this inside my head for the past 2 years or so, and I need some expert advice!

Which would be a better Stick-Shift Stocker, a C4 Corvette or a C5 Z06?

I like the C4, and it seems as though it would be fairly straight forward to build, but I like the C5 more (quicker, better looking, etc.). However, making the transaxle in the Z06 work has me concerned, as in, should I go with a solid axle or keep the IRS, is there a manual tranny that will work back there, etc.

Also, with the factory rating on the Z06 motor already at 405, is there much more that can be rung out of it compared to the LT4 in the C4?

Any input is greatly appreciated!!


2021STK 01-21-2012 11:16 AM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 304987)
Be careful on Z06 as it has 4 things that in production that are listed as no nos even though it has been in guide for at least 2 year! *** rods and intake valves, CNC ported heads, and dry sump! The wizards at NHRA did not even know about the CNC heads till about a year ago!

FWIW, those 4 items are on the C6 Z06 Corvettes, 2006 and later.
Gumbalaya is asking about the C5 Z06.

james schaechter 01-21-2012 11:31 AM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 304987)
Be careful on Z06 as it has 4 things that in production that are listed as no nos even though it has been in guide for at least 2 year! *** rods and intake valves, CNC ported heads, and dry sump! The wizards at NHRA did not even know about the CNC heads till about a year ago!

I didn't think that was the earlier version, but I am not a Vette expert at all.

I would hope that the CNC heads bring the NHRA factor down like it did for the4.6 Fords! Knock about 50 hp off! LOL.

james schaechter 01-21-2012 12:03 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
I do think that if you are serious about this, you should talk to Jimmy Parker. He has built a number of successful Corvette Stockers. He is probably the one to ask.

If you have ever seen Charlie Ingram's LT4 Vette, it would get you thinking.

IRS is not smart for a stickshift in any high HP situation for stock class racing.

You might be able to find an Stock eliminator automatic Vette for sale and turn in into something fun by putting a stickshift in it. The newer models are certainly easier to set up for a stick than the older models.

If you are going to do this.......

Bring Money. Lots of it! Good Luck.

BlueOval Ralph 01-21-2012 12:16 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
It sure was ALL Z06 have had same engine internals since day one, know that for a fact. Only Change was early had cast pistons later have forged.

Quote:

Originally Posted by james schaechter (Post 304998)
I didn't think that was the earlier version, but I am not a Vette expert at all.

I would hope that the CNC heads bring the NHRA factor down like it did for the4.6 Fords! Knock about 50 hp off! LOL.


james schaechter 01-21-2012 12:26 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 305013)
It sure was ALL Z06 have had same engine internals since day one, know that for a fact. Only Change was early had cast pistons later have forged.

Cool. Thanks. I am thinking I was off on the defactoring. Probably need to lower the NHRA HP by least 80 hp off for the CNC porting.

Rick Leininger Jr. 01-21-2012 01:23 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 305013)
It sure was ALL Z06 have had same engine internals since day one, know that for a fact. Only Change was early had cast pistons later have forged.

The C5 Z06 does not have Ti rods, Ti intake valves, , CNC heads, or dry sump. The C5 Z06 has powdered metal rods, hollow stem steel valves, as cast unported heads, and internal pump wet sump.

Rick Leininger Jr. 01-21-2012 01:28 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gumbalaya (Post 304904)
Hey guys, I have been debating this inside my head for the past 2 years or so, and I need some expert advice!

Which would be a better Stick-Shift Stocker, a C4 Corvette or a C5 Z06?

I like the C4, and it seems as though it would be fairly straight forward to build, but I like the C5 more (quicker, better looking, etc.). However, making the transaxle in the Z06 work has me concerned, as in, should I go with a solid axle or keep the IRS, is there a manual tranny that will work back there, etc.

Also, with the factory rating on the Z06 motor already at 405, is there much more that can be rung out of it compared to the LT4 in the C4?

Any input is greatly appreciated!!

The C5 Z06 LS6 is overated at 405 hp, the LS1 in the C5 with a slightly smaller port/slightly less compression is rated at 340 hp, a much better combo I think, and can run B/S thru E/S depending on which year is claimed.

BlueOval Ralph 01-21-2012 01:47 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
I forgot that was a C5 not C6

ken robinson 01-21-2012 02:24 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Your in D-3 have you talked to Paul Booster he runs a nice red vette with front mount trans. and solid rear set up . Its fast and goes rounds , he won the dutch race at maple grove 2 years ago . I wouldn't run the IRS with trans its a sports car deal and you will blow it up . I think you can go with block mount bell , clutch and trans.(G-force or Gerico) and solid rear . It is a faster set up too . The Z06 is a nat. AA/s stick only car I think .So I was looking at the less HP combo with automatic . But its out of my buget for now . Good luck and I hope you build one totally cool car .

jmcarter 01-21-2012 02:59 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james schaechter (Post 305009)
I do think that if you are serious about this, you should talk to Jimmy Parker. .....
If you are going to do this.......

Bring Money. Lots of it! Good Luck.

Best advice I've seen in a long time!

Chad Rhodes 01-21-2012 06:11 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 305013)
It sure was ALL Z06 have had same engine internals since day one, know that for a fact. Only Change was early had cast pistons later have forged.

Nope. C5 z06 is not dry sum, no it rods, no cnc heads. You don't know what you are talking about. You are however correct on the 06 up cars. The 01-04 Z06 were 5.7L LS6, the C6 is 7.0L (427) LS7 505hp with the dry sump, ti valves and rods, and cnc heads

BlueOval Ralph 01-21-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Mr Rhodes as you can see I corrected my post!


Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 305027)
I forgot that was a C5 not C6


Chad Rhodes 01-21-2012 11:14 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 305081)
Mr Rhodes as you can see I corrected my post!

My apologies

gumbalaya 01-22-2012 02:23 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
The rulebook does allow for moving the tranny up front, but i have heard that the car doesnt hook as well. Plus, the cost of moving it would be astronomical!

But then, if I wanted to race for cheap, then I should choose something besides a 'vette!!

gearjammer9025 02-12-2012 07:36 PM

Re: Should I run a C4 or a C5Z06 'vette in Stock?
 
This really caught my eye when you asked this question. I love a corvette the old an new modle's. So I did a little research an found a cople c5 an c6 corvette's running in stock. Jonathan womack runs a c6 a/sa an paul boster c5 d/sa an al corda in c5 c/sa. These guys could probably help you out the most. I dont have any contact info. this. I seen a couple video's on youtube an theses cars leave hard. Wheels up. Hope this helps.


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