"Kepner went Kaboom"
 

LMAO , is all I can say

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Re: "Kepner went Kaboom"
 

Just read about what you were talking about...interesting.

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Hopefully the three stooges :D:o:) from top gear will show up.---Trevor

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I can see this thing becoming a 'worldwide muscle car series' if they play their cards right...I guess this means a lot more roll bars will be needed for all those Ferrari & Bugatti's entering the series huh, lol. ;)

...oh and by the way here's the link.

http://www.adrl.us/2012/01/adrl%E2%8...und-the-globe/

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Hey Bo, in Kepners defense, there's a lot of combos in the NHRA guide that never get built. So what, it looks good in print.

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Billy I would agree . Only thing is if the some of these combination show up they can be real fast and you cant factor that to start . It just seems like a joke to me .

Wonder why they left out the Jaguar R series or for that mater the Lotus , Twin Turbo Mini Copper , Saleens ect . Either its real racing or it's just BS

If its going to be a super car series make it that . If it going to be factory made race cars from the big 3 make it that . If its going to be factory built race cars from any manufacture make it that .

It wont be fair with factory built race cars vs high dollars street cars . The street cars will have the upper hand with traction control and dial up your own boost just to name a few items.

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The amazing thing is comparing these HP numbers with the same cars 15 years ago. Technology is has made these cars amazingly fast.

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I promise I won't interfere with your dialogue on the subject but I feel the need to point out the list whch appeared in the January 24 press release, (the same which is posted in this thread), represents only some of the many combinations which COULD be used. It is not a list of the only eligible vehicles. It's merely a sample of the production cars available which offer engines of more than four hundred factory-rated horsepower.

As stated in the release, there are many more combinations out there than those listed.

Carry on.


Oh, by the way...

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...g-racing-again

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Bret , when will the list be complete ? I think you will get a lot of guys wanting to race the super cars . If I show up with a GT40 at the first race would it be allowed to race . What about the Hennesy line of super cars and Callaway super car ? There are a ton of cars in Dupont Regestry that are super cars that are not on the list . Thank you for your thoughts and at least trying to get some heads up racing going.

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Ummm...Ford hasn't made a GT 40 in FORTY THREE YEARS.

If you meant a GT, they haven't made one of those in SIX years.

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Hey Bret, if the ADRL is going to mine deep pockets (they do), then they might as well give those deep pockets some mind candy to think about. It sounds like "International Pro Stock" to me and I'd watch it.
No response necessary.

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Bret , you are correct technically, Ford has not made one in 40 years . But GT40 clone cars are still being produced today and are referred to as "super cars" . Are you saying that you cant race clones or that there is a cut off date on production ?

As far as Super cars go I might have a few that qualify . In my garage I have a 2012 B7 Alpina Bi Turbo 586 hp with chip and tuning , 2002 Jaguar XJR 100 (Anniversary edition) upgrade supercharged ,tuning chip and race suspension , 2002 Lingenfelter Supercharged Z06 corvette , roll cage , line lock , rear hard shafts , 411 gears and drag tuned suspension , 2007 stock Z06

I also have a Gen3 LS motor just laying around that will run 5.70's in a 3250 corvette if needed . UMMM !!!

http://www.gt40spf.com/gt40-specifications.aspx

http://www.superformance.com/gt40.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ud1q...ayer_embedded#!

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That idea is so 1999... ;) (and I may still have the proposal laying around in my files somewhere!) Ironically, some conversation on DRR recently led to revisting the concepts surrounding Spec Dragster as well... You're barely more than a decade ahead of the times. :p

Re: "Kepner went Kaboom"
 

Is it April 1st or just winter?looked good at first.

Kevin

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In looking over the spec on most of these "super cars" they all have traction control . Does that mean the class will allow traction control?

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I need to buy stock in whatever Italian or German transmission and rear-end manufacturer's will be supplying those replacement parts Bo is talking about. A launch with slicks to be competitive in ET will destroy these parts. And euro-trashmaster's will not install G-force transmissions and 9" Fords, even if the class rules did allow conversions.
So what you want Bo is the chance to compete with a super HP car that can MPH like the wind but is embarrassingly slow on ET compared to the MPH.
What's the point?

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Jeff it this simple , Let a Cajun (V10 viper) have a car with traction control listed in the guide and he will run it sooner or later . Same thing applies to me , let me run a Z06 corvette that has factory traction control and I will run it . Me and the Cajun both have cars that can run 9in slicks and g force transmissions.

Jeff as I'm sure you know their are a lot of corvette's with irs running in nhra stock eliminator and winning races .

Jeff if you allow a stock camaro to run and the copo camaro to run why would you not allow 9in conversion's for other car's . I think you have heard of purpose built race cars

P.S That Cajan is real smart and knows more about racing then anyone I know

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This thing is going South earlier than I had predicted. It just takes a few with deep pockets and desire to dominate to regulate the masses to spectators (or sacrificial lambs)

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I think it can be really successful,but it has to be done as entertainment.

It could be a good "show",without serious competition.lol

Re: "Kepner went Kaboom"
 

LOL....Welcome to all to the real world.

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big money game already!

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It won't take long for a few purpose built drag race Mustangs and DPs (that can never be licensed for the street) to run off all the exotic foreign jobs.

BTW there are sure a lot of American cars on the list that will never get to race in Stock or S/S 'cause they are not in the classguide. What a shame!

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Jason , dont rule out Corvette's , Vipers and Camaro's . These are very fast car's that could dominate a heads up series and have a ton of technolgy that the CJ's and DP's dont have

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Sounds to me like its having a few issues about even making it to the "Inaugural" Kick off of Top Stock. I thought it would last for at least 6 months or so. I have a lot of respect for Bret, Jeff and anybody else who is involed in getting this thing to the table, but I bet their eyes rolled back in their heads when they got the "approved list" of vehicles that were invited.

Does ADRL even have a Tech Dept?? What a nightmare, Huh? Run Whatcha Brung!!!!

Good Luck Boys!!

RJ

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Didn't all the CJs and DPs have a ton of technology unavailable to the stockers that they were meant to prey on?. You thought it was fair then! Now the bellyaching begins, looks like this will be put out to pasture before any rules or classes are even written.

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Bubski , No Tears here. I own a race ready corvette with traction control . I also have a bad *** Patterson peice to go in it that has not been able to run in NHRA because the vette would have to weight 4200lbs in stock. Now it only has to weight 3250 with driver .

Im happy and yes I will proudly use the rules to my advanage if I can just like the other guys who run heads up racing. I just want to make sure what the rules are so I can use them all to my full advantage.

FYI , the CJ's and DP's are not even close to the vette and viper when it comes to technolgy .

The current factory drag cars were made to out run the out dated cars that run NHRA stock. And I would add the CJ's and DP's have done it well

The ADRL is starting a whole new game with adding "super cars" to the field. At first I did not like it because they gave the mopars a
weight break , now it's looking better and better to me

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While you are correct in all the above Bo,do you think with all these potential cars any sanction could police it?Will they have a teardown barn??It looked real good at first.Don't get me wrong my Buicks would not be a player in this class so i am only watching.Seems these things get squashed before the game even starts.

Kevin

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Looks like the same thing that happened to IHRA Top Stock will end up being the end of this class also, By the same Folks that killed it. Can't anybody just race the way it was intended!!!!!!

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Bubski, what is the "ton" of technology unavailable to other stockers that you speak of?

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CNC ported heads comes to mind.

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Ruler , your right it was cheater's and loser like you who could not race on a level playing feild . The same type that dose not have the balls to use their real name. And then tell us what was in ADRL mind when they came up with this series. They are the one who made the rules.

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And it took a BS hp factor in order to outrun the "outdated" cars.

I love the chance to run heads up and thank all the people that are working to make this happen!

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SS engine guy , everything about stock is BS . Their is nothing stock about stock elminator and I challenge you to show me one combo that really has the horsepower it's factored at in stock .

When I got my mustang the HP was very close to the rating on the chassis dyno . But you are correct we changed the plugs and pick up 80 hp , dial up the tuning and pick up another 65hp changed the cam's pickup some more . Ford and Mopar just produced a better factory drag car then the ones racing

The old cars run bogus heads that are covered up 60-80hp , change the cams another 60hp , rework the carb , 15 hp cheat on rocker ratio another 25 hp , bogus size rod journals ,lighter weight piston and rods , turned down crank another 100hp .

Now you tell me thats stock ? and thats not bogus ? But it's NHRA legal because the rules say so .

Stock means the way it was produced from the factory not whats runing in NHRA stock elminator

The new car's will always have the advantage in drag racing .Technolgy is hard to beat get use to it .

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It is not so much the technology differences between a Dragpak or a NA Mustang that has the advantage over my car for example. It is the compression, heads, camshaft lift, valve sizes, ports sizes, throttle body, and intake that are so far from what could run on the street in a "stock" car that makes them a bogus comparison.

There is no way you could take one of those cars and get an emmissions certification on pump gas like you do the traditional stock eliminator cars. There isn't that much more technology in one of those cars over say a LT1 or a LS1, but the main difference is that an LT1 and a LS1 were driven on the street on pump gas.

Let me have similar heads, lift, intake, compression, and throttle body in a LT1 and see if you could keep up with me.

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Bo

Anyway you can let me know where I can get a set or two of those 80hp Spark Plugs???

RJ

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I am the regional distributor. How much money you got?

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I will do the west/left coast

:-) peace

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Grey Goose Brand no doubt. Suppose you got a set in your DP, huh??

Do they possibility come in different HP ratings or is 80hp the only ones you sell??

I need some for the 390........you still taking checks??

Your Lame Duck F/SA Competitor

RJ

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Bo, you are exactly right! Way to much stuff has been allowed in the past years that should have been a DQ instead of a rule change. However, one of the things that has always held my interest was the fans and other competitors that were amazed that S/SS cars were as quick as they were given the limitations. ie: flat tops or dished pistons, small cams, q-jets/small holleys/afb carbs etc. I can take an old style motor, port the heads, use 1000 cfm air flow, big manifolds, blowers etc. and get the same or better performance as the new cars. Not to mention computer control all of this in milliseconds. Thats no great accomplishment. Especially if my competition is "old school" as many have mentioned. That is exactly why I am thrilled to have Brett and others that are putting the time in to have a "Supercar Series".
These cars will be a great draw running against themselves and should be a boost to the manufacurers and help to sell their product and create public awareness that the car companies are again offering performance.

And you are correct again that there are quite a few other "old" combos out there that have had low hp ratings that have been protected by racers and sanctioning bodies. That needs to be addressed also. And ahfs is not the way to do it as it allows competitors to falsify a combo's true performance potential.

Oh, and I got used to the technology a long time ago. Some really good for our sport and some really bad.

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Legal?

100hp?