Anyone test Renegade fuel ?
 

Has anyone done any back to back testing with Renegade fuel and any other fuels on the dyno ? I hear the Renegade 110 is supposedly better than C11............I'm just curious.

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We will probably test two of Renegade's fuels tomorrow, against Sunoco Supreme, which runs great in both cars. I'll be sending the data to my friend, Toby Baptiste, at Renegade.

We quit running C-11 years ago, it was nasty, and C-12 ran better. The problem with C-12 is it is ridiculously expensive, and we've had fresh C-12, from the VP drum, at the VP trailer fail fuel check, when fuel check was 30 feet away from the trailer. I ran VP for decades, but failing fuel check 3-5 times a year at $12 or more a gallon was just unacceptable.

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I spoke to Mike Crawley the local florida rep for renegade. He quoted me a very good price for a drum of the renegade fuel. I would be interested to see the results of the tests on the dyno . I will most likely switch to the renegade fuel in the near future.

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You're certainly not alone with your fuel check problems , i've heard that same story from a number of racers . Renegade Racing Fuel is going to solve a lot of issues for a lot of racers .

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Alan - What you need is to buy your fuel elsewhere as C-11 is and has always been more expensive than C-12 .As far as fuel check goes the best way to pass is to only buy it in sealed 5 gallon pails .

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Renegade is not a refiner. I bought two drums last year one checked like Sunoco 110 and one checked like competition fuel 114. I think they buy fuel from different refineries snd re- sell it. Be careful because you won't always know what you're getting.

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I sent Toby Baptiste an email with a link to this thread. I also told him to email Ken before he posted.

Toby is a good guy, I've known him since he was around 7 years old, he's been involved in drag racing all of his life.

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If you buy it at the track from a truck that brought into the race to sell it, and it doesn't pass, they should be required to give you a refund plus supply you with fuel that will pass. plus be compensated for your trouble.
Why would or should a sealed 5 gal drum be any different than buying it out of a 30 or 55 gallon drum straight off the truck?

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Why would or should a sealed 5 gal drum be any different than buying it out of a 30 or 55 gallon drum straight off the truck?[/QUOTE]

Chris - I wish I could tell you with 100% certainty why but I've never had a customers gas have a problem that came out of a sealed 5 gallon pail - some say its because air hasn't got to it .I'm told shelf life starts the moment the can is opened .

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VP has a high pop-off rate (ie., unstable). I've had Sunoco laying around from one year to the next with no issues.

I think many of the 'new' names in the fuel business are offshoots from when the Torco empire crashed. I found Torco to be very similar to Sunoco. Good fuel, and stable.

Remember when testing different fuels you may need to change your jetting. Different fuels can have different sized fuel molecules, changing your mixture.

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After changing the tune up, mine likes C11. I have never had a problem with fuel check. Even after sitting in plastic fuel jugs for the winter.

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Ed, What is your routine when storing the car for a few weeks between races?
Was told with VP it is wise to fog the engine with Marvel Mystery Oil. This involves changing to old plugs for the fog down. At the next race restart with old plugs when MMO burns off install good plugs.
I run a fuel injected car also and wonder about the caustic chemicals in VP.

Thanks

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I will have to agree with Greg here. Very few companies have the resources to be a refinery so that they can control their on fuels. Most purchase on a contract that could change from contract to contract. They can control their additives and request that what they get meet certain requirements---buuut it may get changed in a pinch. I have several friends that sale fuel but to me that means very little in that they sale what they get. Fuel is like oil, you sale what is sent to you and take for granted that it is what you paid for. Very few, if any, can check the fuel to see if and what it is. That takes away nothing from the seller but it is what it is. But I do hope this Renegade is as good as what people say. We need that competition in this fuel dollar society. Racers seem to bear the brunt of fuel costs.
charles

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Michael is correct as usual . Changing to different brands of race gas , even the same octane rating , will sometimes require a jet change and always requires checking the float levels . The jet change is only required if the specific gravity ( density ) of the fuels differs by more than 2% . For instance going from .710 SG to .715 SG would require no jet change . However , going from .710 SG to .721 ( or the other way around ) would probably require a change in jetting of 1 step . The plug readings will be your guide .And any change at all in specific gravity means it would be a good idea to check the float levels in the carb (s) .

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Renegade is as good as people say . The single most important aspect of race gas is quality control . And as Alan said in an earlier post , some companies seem to take quality control from batch to batch and drum to drum pretty lightly . Close enough shouldn't be acceptable or accepted .

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Frank, I think fogging it is a good idea with any fuel. I've never had any problems with plug either. Mine clean right up. Maybe I don't fog mine as heavy?

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But are they a refiner/are they producing the fuel or buying the fuel and reselling and if not a refiner who is making the fuel they sell?

Never heard of them until a few months ago.

As for Torco, used it one time and never again. Leaked past my carb gaskets and stained my intake manifold. Sunoco nor VP have ever done that.

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Not to get off the subject but I am curious if any of you Stk/SS racers have taken up the cause of getting E-85 and/or E-98 as an approved fuel option?

The stuff works awesome and is cheap relative to VP or the like. Cooling aspect is great. Consistency is incredible. Readily available @ around $3.00/gal.

Seems it would be a Win/Win as long as the fuel check wouldn't be an issue but I would think they should be able to figure that out - they do for the other "Approved" fuels and like with VP it is hardly a consistent system anyway.

Been running it for a few years in my bracket car and Love it - no babysitting/draining etc... like methanol, I can buy out of the blender pump and have never had it check more than 1% over/under the E-85 standard.

1st year out with it won a track championship. So had no issues with getting it to work.

Like I said just curious.

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I ran Renegade 112 for the first time at the Orlando div. race. To my knowledge I was the only one running it, I was also the only one to fail fuel check. The fuel checked 6 numbers off what it was supposed to be. Checked the car twice and each jug once,for a total of 4 times. So I pumped it out and cleaned the system completely, put fresh VP C-12 in. Made 2nd qual. pass, fuel checked fine, picked up .09 hund. and 2 mph. The R-112 came right out of the drum that I watched the guy open , the same place that I always buy my fuel from. This was also the first time that I have failed fuel check.

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Actually i know of 11 racers that used Renegade at Orlando , might have been more . And you are the only one that had problems that i know of so there might be a specific problem with your fuel . You mention that you cleaned the entire fuel system after using the Renegade . Did you clean the entire system before filling it with Renegade ? As you know , any residual brand x fuel will change the readings of the new fuel substantially . The testing that NHRA does is very sensitive .
And the huge increase in performance you say you saw when switching back to the fuel you've been using makes me think there was something else going on . You wouldn't see any increase whatsoever by switching from Renegade 112 to C-12 , most likely the opposite in fact .
Send me a PM about where and when you bought the Renegade Fuel , and give me the specifics of the fuel check you say you failed . I will look into it .

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This is new to me personally. have always run Sunoco with no problem until recently. My local supplier has handling issues which bit me @ E-Town. Along with the possible closure of the PA refinery that has been making the race fuel.
Ran VP C-12 the end of last season. The exhaust valves were really beat up. Was told that is an issue with VP. Need to fog the engine when stored for more than a few days. The funny thing is that some racers who do not fog their engines make some of the best runs before the freshen up that exposed the beat up valve. So go figure but I would rather the engine come apart clean.

Frank

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Mike perhaps you missed my post/question...

But are they a refiner/are they producing the fuel or buying the fuel and reselling and if not a refiner who is making the fuel they sell?

Never heard of them until a few months ago.

As for Torco, used it one time and never again. Leaked past my carb gaskets and stained my intake manifold. Sunoco nor VP have ever done that.

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No , i didn't miss your post , i just wasn't sure what question you wanted answered .
I can't tell you too much about your Torco problem , could have been an issue with the brand of gasket you were using . Staining comes from the dye used in race fuels to distinguish one from another . Some companies use more dye than others , but all race fuels can and do stain . Race engine builders have long used the traces of dye to follow race fuel through the manifold and head ports to get an idea of flow .

Renegade hasn't done nearly as much advertising over the years as some companies . Doesn't mean they aren't as good or even better . Just means they spend their money on other things like R&D . They have recently stepped up the marketing , that's probably why you starting hearing more about them .

ALL race gasolines are refined , there's no other way to make race gasoline . They start with base stock . And then EVERY race fuel company buys compounds and chemicals from a number of sources to add to the base stock to create their own version of the best . And that's where the differences between race fuel brands come into play . Race gas formulas can be manipulated to make them do a wide variety of things . You can blend for max power , or you can blend for max torque . Or you can blend for mileage ( think NASCAR ) . And of course you can blend in certain compounds and chemicals to work with nitrous or supercharging/turbocharging . In F1 , race gasoline is also blended specifically for weight , every pound saved is an advantage .

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I doubt most of the race fuel companies have their own refineries, except for the major oil companies like Sunoco and Conoco/Phillips. Here is a list of refineries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#United_States

I don't see VP listed in San Antonio, but there is a NuStar Energy there. I'm sure VP blends various chemicals from the refinery to make their fuels. In general, the short chain alkanes have the higher octane ratings, but they also evaporate at the lower temperatures. Aromatics like benzene, xylene and toluene have good octane ratings. Well, one of the three xylenes do, the other two not so good. Here is a company that provides blendstocks for example:

http://www.texasaromatics.com/pages/blendstocks.html

It could be that some of the race fuels are blended at the refinery to the companies specifications.

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Thanks for the reply Mike even though you did your best to not answer my question.

Regardless, I ain't switching brands. I don't chose my brand of race fuel based on price and I would think most competitive stock/super racers don't either.

I'll wait and watch for initial as well long term user feedback from those I deem credible.

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You definitely can choose fuel based on price and still run fast. Our cars run just as well on sunoco purple as C11 and it's a lot cheaper.

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Cheaper than VP...yes.

I run Sunoco Blue because Sunoco Race Fuels are sold at nearly every track I race. That said, I have run the equivalent VP and have not seen an increase or decrease in performance only a lighter wallet.

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If you're happy with the race fuel you're running , there's no reason to switch . I don't advocate using any brand of race fuel just because it's cheaper . And i certainly don't recommend using a race fuel that's wildly overpriced or over-hyped so it must be better .. But when it's better and less money , that's the time to take a good look at using a different product .

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when/IF Renegade is proven to me to be better, then I might consider trying it but still would not switch from Sunoco or VP which are widely available at the tracks I race.

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I did a back to back test at the end of last season with the Renegade K16 vs the VP Q16. I had been running the VP regularly for the past 2 seasons and work a Deal to become a dealer for them from my shop so I decided to do a back to back test. I have a 632 dragster with 2 Book carbs and 18 degree duke heads. I did the test to 1000 ft because I was racing and out of the gas so when I got eliminated from competition I went back and switched the fuel and went right back up for a time run with the VP car went 1.085 60ft and 6.2227 @ 166.72and with the Renegade K16 car went 1.092 60ft and 6.2224 @ 167.14 these passes are within 20 min of each other and if anyone want to see time slips to verify that is possible. Anyone in the New York area looking for and Renegade product can call me Vince Musolino 3152548408

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As soon as I finish up this week I will be testing vp vs renegade vs competition race fuels. In the past the vp seem like it ran a bit cooler. I didnt see much et difference. I like the sealed 5 gallon pales that vp uses. I am in Northern Ky and can get any type of fuel needed if anyone needs any in the area.