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The latest Rules Updates states that the Window Net rule for 7.50 and slower cars will remain the same as it has been. In other words, you don't have to cert it every 2 years....
Like it has been in the past....

Rock

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Mine was expired in Houston. I was told to replace it and come back to tech. Sooooo????

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Rock

You DO have to have them certified every 2 years.

Dave

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that's not what the latest rules update says

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figures i just bought a new one!!! im so sick of this crap!
Aaron Disinger
327y gt/ha

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SECTION 20: GENERAL REGULATIONS, INTERIOR: 6, WINDOW NET (Page 29) (3/5/2012) An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car running 7.49 (*4.49) or quicker. For full-bodied cars running 7.50 (*4.50) to 9.99 (*6.39) or if vehicle runs 135 mph or faster a ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type window net is mandatory unless otherwise specified by class requirements. SFI 27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture. Window net must be securely mounted on the inside of the roll cage, with the permanent attachment at the bottom. All attachment points must be designed in an attempt to protect the driver and avoid contact with track surface or guardwall. Eyelet clips, dogleash hardware, hose clamps, etc. prohibited. Penetration of webbing, except as performed by manufacturer, prohibited. Any modification to net must be performed by manufacturer.

Dave

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I just checked again, from what I'm reading in the 2011 to 2012 NHRA rule book amendments, on page 60
27.1 Window Net (Mesh)............................................ .................2 years
Mesh is struck through, meaning all 27.1 window nets.
Maybe I'm reading to much into it.

Kevin T
S/ST 145T

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I just recieved this an hour ago.

The NHRA has amended rules regarding the requirement of a window net for some of its sportsman and E.T. bracket classes effective March 5, 2012. The amendment clarifies the requirement of a SFI 27.1 window net in all full-bodied vehicles in Advanced E.T., Top Sportsman, Competition Eliminator, Pro Mod, and Pro Stock. See the Rules Amendments that will appear on
www.nhraracer.com<http://www.nhraracer.com/>
for individual eliminator requirements.

General Regulations

Section 20, page 29

6:3 WINDOW NET

An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car running 7.49 (*4.49) or quicker. For full-bodied cars running 7.50 (*4.50) to 9.99 (*6.39) or if vehicle runs 135 mph or faster a ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type window net is mandatory unless otherwise specified by class requirements. SFI 27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture. Window net must be securely mounted on the inside of the roll cage, with the permanent attachment at the bottom. All attachment points must be designed in an attempt to protect the driver and avoid contact with track surface or guardwall. Eyelet clips, dogleash hardware, hose clamps, etc. prohibited. Penetration of webbing, except as performed by manufacturer, prohibited. Any modification to net must be performed by manufacturer.



Originally it was announced that basically all that were required to have a roll cage were to have an SFI ribbon-type or mesh-type window net that would be required to be updated every 2-years. Basically the 7.50 & slower vehicles (SS, Stock, Super Pro ET, SC, SG & SST) window net rule reverts back to the way that it was with a ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type net accepted.
Advanced ET cars 7.49 & quicker, Top Sportsman, Pro Mod and Pro Stock will continue to require a SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net, to be updated every two years.

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Just to add more fuel to the fire..............

It looks like SS/JA, SS/J & GT/HA, GT/H and lower don't require a roll cage....

If a roll cage is installed in a car that doesn't require a cage is the window net not mandatory and the car can be run with a cage and no window net AND THE NET DOESN'T NEEDE A RE-CERT??????????

That looks OK to me and it looks like that is what the rulebook says......

Ed it looks like the tech crew at Houston got it wrong if you ran SS/J or GT/K...

Bob

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All this discussion about window nets. I don't get it. Replace your window net for 25 dollars or buy the whole installation kit including net for 55 dollars. We spend more than that on dinner for 2. If you have a cage,put a window net in it. End of story. Bitch about something else ! Here is a link to window nets and kits http://www.jegs.com/p/G-FORCE/G-FORC...58701/10002/-1

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Wow, I like it. I'm with you. It's not like YOUR window net is protecting the NHRA. I guess some racers don't care if they have a left arm.

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I verified it with Jay.....the rule goes back to the way it was for 7.50 and slower cars.....effective 3-5-12

No you don't have to have your net recerted every 2 years....

Rock

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Rock
Thanks for the clarification.

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Which one needs recertified every two years? ribbon or mesh?
which one doesn't?

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That figures, I just bought a new one to replace the perfectly good one I already had. Oh well!

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Correct. SS/JA is not required to have a cage, so if it is run with a cage it does not have to have the window net installed, unless of course you run quicker than 10.00. Raced all over the place and my not having net has never been mentioned.
'Course, I've never been in the nines like Gary Emmons. LOL

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Believe it or not ....the mesh was always supposed to be recerted every two years....but if you have a ribbon style....its good indefinitely.......

Rock

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So nothing has changed. I wonder how much money the safety manufacturers made on ribbon style recerts before they "amended" the rule. Mike

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I was thinking the same thing.

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Thanks Rock for that info, I was about a week away from ordering my new one, mines a custom size so the 25-55- dollar deal doesn't go for me. Don't mind spending money on things that are needed but find it hard to throw perfectly good stuff in the trash. Now if they would come to their senses on the seat belts........ Joe

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I'd expect bracket racers to bitch about such things but class racers, say it ain't so. $25 or $125, is pennies compared to what these cars cost to build and race no mind the cost of the stackers and motorhomes that fill the pits.:rolleyes:

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I was told by a Division Director that all window nets/mesh must follow the two year rule effective April 1, 2012.

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All of this recertification of belts, new window nets, etc. is useless until the second you need all of them. They might look perfect, but after time they do loose tensile strength.
I hope everyone that complains about the safety rules never need them.

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1320racer, maybe 125.00 is chump change to you to me it's a tank of diesel to go racing. Despite what any rule makers say WE are responsible for making sure our equipment is in order. I have 0 problem with spending money on things I find need replaced or updated, some of you must think that just because it's new it must be better, heck I've seen brand new parts and equipment be junk. Answer me this...are the cheapest belts or window net as good as the highest dollar pieces? How bout helmets? We all have decisions to make on what we feel best suits our needs, if you want to put new stuff in your car every week then so be it, I'll save my money for things I really need.Joe BTW I at times have my son drive my car I'm certainly not going to risk hurting him over saving some money if I were that concerned about the expense I'd do better to take up bowling.

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Joe, chump change or not, a drop in the bucket of your racing operation. I stand by my comments,

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Talked to a tech guy @ the gatornationals today & he said there are 14 pages of changes to the 2012 rule book. One of the changes is your old window net is good. You do not have to update the net every 2 yrs unless your car runs faster than 7.50. So super stock cars don't need to change the net.

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Wonder how many they sold for their advertisers before they caught that error?
I am sure their mindset is: It's only $50.00 or so, these racers have money, who cares.
Getting easy to see why the pits are less full, the stands are basically empty and NHRA is digging a deep hole for themselves. Total lack of Customer Service or even the knowledge of how to deal with it,

Jok

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Yea, just throw money at it. Works every time.

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There is majord difference in material and construction between "cheap or "expensive products. It is ok to sew seatbelt in Nylon, Polyester and Kevlar. The cheap ones are in Nylon, a material that have about 20% of it strength after 2 years and during a crash it strech more then 15%. Polyester and kevlar is way better and more expensive (used by the expensive brands)
But it's not only about what you have, I would say its even more important that you use what you have in a correct way.

In my opinion is Stock a joke when talking about Personal Safety. Stock Seats are allowed, a interior that burns like gasoline, seat belt geometry that doesn't hold the driver in the stock seat, open face helmets that doesn't protect you when you plant the face in the steering wheel etc.

Don't take this wrong, I love Stock and Super Stock, but grab a coffe and sit down. Personal Safety is the most important part of Motorsport, if the focus is on saving a buck or two on Safety Parts it's time to re-think.

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How do things get off topic or on a tangent so quickly?
The point is not the $25-$50.
The point is the arbitrary rules by nhra that directly means $$$.

Today is window nets and not too long ago it was helmets. Yes they are both required and yes everybody wants to be safe. I'm sure noone here would race a car with the seat bolted to a plywood floor or seatbelts bolted to floor tin with a washer, how about conduit or exh tube for a roll bar? Of course not...but it HAS been done in the past and that's why rules were put in place.

But now for nhra to decide that having a .134 wall rollbar isn't good enough, it has to be replaced every 2 years(for example).....would anybody complain about the waste of money? Of course they would! It's not that they wouldn't want a rollbar or agree that a roll bar of specified size/thickness is required, it's just the questionable practice of replacing it every two years...because nhra said. THAT is the issue.

Are belts/gloves/helmets/nets etc unsafe after 2 years of "laying in the sun"? If so, then why isn't the equipment that is in stockcars which sit in the same sun and ARE USED REPEATEDLY year after year ok? Has anybody seen a belt or glove fail?
And don't give me the "if you don't see it then the rule must be right" because that's the same logic as carrying a 1/2" wrench to keep the elephants away, none around? SEE IT MUST BE WORKING!

Don't need a net if your slower than 10.50, fine...doesn't say you CAN'T have one if you want it. As far as ribbon or mesh, one is better than the other (same as material) and one requires a two year recert the other doesn't.

It all boils down to "must" and "can". I've never made a pass without a helmet...even though over the years I've run some pretty SLOW stuff. What is it, slower than 15.00 and you don't need a helmet for bracketracing or something like that? Doesn't matter to me, it's MY choice to wear a $200 helmet in a 21 second fwd streetcar. But if it was mandatory and had to have a new helmet every 2-3 years? Yeah, I would complain too!

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X2 Well said!!!!!!!

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Next year your racing wheels need to be certified.............................Oh wait,,,,,,3 months later your current wheels are ok. There needs to be consequences for mistakes that cost people money no matter if its a dollar or a thousand!

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JP, apparently I didn't make myself clear, I never said I wanted to skimp on safety, I was stating that I was pleased I did not have to replace my perfectly good 150.00 window net. I've never held any dilusions that this sport is cheap, and anyone that knows me knows I will spend the money I NEED to. 1320racer seems to think that anyone that thinks like me on this issue just likes to "bitch", to use his mindset why don't we just say....Your seats 3 years old better replace it, your master cylinder is 4 years old better replace it, ect. The list could go on and on. The simple fact is there are probably lots of cars out there with worn heim ends, mushy brake pedals, dry rotted tires, loose steering, poorly installed cages.... hopefully you get my point. I'm perfectly capable of maintaining my race car I built it, know every nut and bolt on it and believe I'm capable of making the right decisions on how to properly equip it. This issue was, for me never about "saving a few bucks" heck if I wanted to save money I'd quit racing, the issue was out of the blue a rule change was made that was not backed up by any facts of testing or reasoning just "you have to do this". I've inquired on several occasions if anyone was aware just exactly how SFI came to conclude that seat belts are no good after 2 years...never got a reply. If someone tells me something I'd kinda like them to be able to explain to me how they reached that conclusion, not just say that's the way it is. Sorry for the long post, just don't like being called a "bitcher" Joe

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Pretty much like "certifying your chassis". They measure the pipe but they NEVER mention the welds, the supports, the brackets, etc.
They hand you a form, measure 6 or 7 spots and collect their check. IT HAS NOTHING to do with safety, it is ALL about revenue, period.

If it was about safety they would check for worn rod ends (or have you certify you replace them regularly, brakes, etc, etc.

I had a track for 15 years. The single most common cause of wrecks, injuries and property loss: Oil under the tires.

And yet, diapers are only slowly being made mandatory. Want to be safer? Put a diaper under the engine and plumb your trans cooler lines with high-pressure braided or similar hydraulic line with AN fittings.

You always have to remember, NHRA is a "revenue-needing operation". With half-empty grandstands on Elimination day, Sportsman entries falling off or being limited (allegedly due to lack of space) at certain events the NHRA NEEDS MORE MONEY to keep the show on the road. If it is on the back of the Sportsman and Bracket racers, why would they care? You do it as a hobby and the NHRA goal is to keep the nitro teams the stars of the show. Not sure why, seems less and less people come to watch it.

Sorry about the rant, it's just that the "safety rules" are totally stupid and nothing but "ad sellers" for them.

Jok
(yeh, I always have "trouble" at tech ;-)

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What happened to the muffler rule from 10 or so years ago? Can't believe they never implemented that one. $$$$$ they missed!

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They fired the guy who came up with the idea.

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Now if they would go up the food chain a bit on this stupid error, at least there would be some "fresh ideas" at one level.