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Has there been any teardowns done anywhere, Divisional or National events?

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None at the gators

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Chad, I think NHRA has you next on the list (lol). Tell your Dad I said hello...

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Luke leave the dark side and come back to Chevy! Jerry i'm sorry I can't help my self. Corky:D:D

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The only thing getting looked at this past weekend was after 3rd round of Super Gas, they pulled over several of us and inspected our electronics.
Chuck

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After I complained about them screwing up my dial, could be.

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I'm not too happy with NHRA now as it is, but here again, you're paying for something that you are not getting. NHRA is supposed to police the classes, and that's apart of S/SS. If you race those catagories expect to get torn down. But here again, NHRA is ignoring their responcability to the racers and the integrety of the classes. Even though I don't quailify well, I expect to be taken apart at any given race, I haven't been tapped on the shoulder since 1979. Don't think that NHRA is doing anybody any favors by not doing tear downs, just the oppisite. You pay for a membership and you pay to race, but you don't get anything that you are paying for when the tech group fails to tear down cars. There should be at least 10% of the field at evey national event being torn down. Back in the 70's and 80's almost 1/4 of the field was taken apart even if you were apart the week before. I don't like tear down just like anyother racer, but I know that it's apart of the racing I choose, that's what the real difference between bracket racing and class racing.
NHRA has rules that out rule common sense!

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock!

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Why bother with teardowns? When the techmen find something wrong they get overridden by the higher ups. Then the next year a rule change makes it legal.

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There is a problem with that way that NHRA does their work, and that is why Stock is nothing more then a modified production class on 9" tires.
Stock was supposed to be "STOCK", not some bastardized cars being called stock. As racers, we allowed NHRA to plow over the class without any reguard to how true meaning of the competition of "Stock". Allowing all the after market parts was a mistake in the very beginning which NHRA turned into a money maker for them selfs as well as an excuse not to have to do their jobs which includes measurements which are the heart beat of tear downs.

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock!

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Casey you can't blame NHRA for allowing the "superseded" parts for every part a crybaby racer begged them for it.
You can find fault with NHRA for not enforcing the rules.

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How can they automatically add Hp to a combination from a trigger of the AHFS with out tearing down the car to see if it was even legal or not. NOT fair to the other people running the same combo!! NHRA you really need to think about what your doing to these classes!! Maybe you already have and this is the future.




Bret Velde

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I was under the impresson that running 1.20 under got you tore down automatically. I am pretty sure this is standard procedures here in D3 with Travis and his crew. But that might have been last years rule, what was I thinking?

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I did not see any teardowns at Phoenix. But NHRA was watching heads up run of Wann and Sorenson a tech guy watching each car. Hopefullly there will be some teardowns in Belle Rose this weekend and both Vegas races coming up. There should be some fast runs at both of these races so everybody have your gaskets sets ready.

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Are you saying the cars that went fast enough at the Gators to trigger the AHFS immediate horsepower did NOT get tore down?

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The NHRA tech guys must have X-RAY VISION...........LOL

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NHRA should force a certain percentage of racers to tear down at all National events, this would bring out the true racers in the S/SS classes. That is what you are paying for with your membership and entry fee's. By NHRA not doing their job, it allows racers to slide whether their cars are legal or not. It used to be if you won the race, you had to tear down to get the purse, now it's just grab the trophy and go on your way.

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock!

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Actually, that creates more problems than it solves. What if the winner in Stock or Super Stock doesn't pass??? Now you have all of the guys he put out in eliminations raising a huge stink. If they are gonna be checked, it needs to be done before eliminations. Once first round starts, the time for checking is over, with the exception of fuel, weight and visual checks at the scales.

Besides, I think the tech guys have a pretty good idea who the "shady" characters are. When I won SS in Atlanta, they asked the RU if he wanted me to tear down. Answer was no.

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I think X-Tech-Man wants his old job back said he doesn't like these new young whippersnappers, lol.

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1963 US Nationals Class Winners(after teardown).

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NO WAY Hemi Moose would I ever do that again. I have learned how to live and have fun. The guys who do it now can have it.

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That's one of the main reasons I went to Comp. Pump it, weigh it, fuel check and your done. No horsepower factors, 32 car qualified field with no break out. First man to the finish line wins. Real simple.

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The biggest problem is that there are very few people left in tech that even know what to look for in a stocker. Chuck is right about being torn down in d3 if you go 1.20 under. In our division we still have Travis but he is one of one left in NHRA.

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One of two, but I don't think Wesley is travelling to races any more.

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I'm half way there. I weigh, fuel check. Then they pump me (total of 30 minutes start to finish) then check wheel base, and overhang. And we are done.

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The overhang brings up a funny time about 10 years ago at a points race. I was at the scale when a very fast 68 camaro came by. The tech man was harping on something on someones car that had no effect what so ever on performance or classification etc. I pointed out that since when does a stocker 68 camaro with a 27-28" front tire, sitting very low, have the front of both the front and rear fenders trimmed allot, and a new beed rolled into it, then there was such a gap at the rear of the tires it looked weird? The tech man said that is not happening. The funny part is I was looking over his shoulder at the car and he did not turn around to look...LOL...I did not point out the car to him, just making a statement. I thought that was a funny. Those racers were very sharp and had fooled the tech people for years....I did not say anything to anyone.....Have you seen how they measure overhang? Talk about no where near accurate.

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I believe it was last year a 4th gen F body SS/IA formerly ownned by a Div 1 or 2 racer (won't name names) being raced by a used racing equipment dealer from around here pulled into the staging lanes. Wesley looked at it, measured it, told them to fix it. Rear end was too far forward. LOL Depends on the tech guys, what they can get away with.

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Confusion Eliminator simple? It would be if all of the tech inspectors knew the rules. one inspector wants that another inspector wants this. I know of a Div 6 car owner that spent a lot of money reconfiguring his roll cage as he was warned that he would not be allowed to race again with it the way it was. He made the changes and was then told that it was not necessary by a different inspector.

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All of us running SS with non-hood scoop cars are masochists.

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That "Ley" guy Dave here in D-1 knows a thing or 2?
and don't forget that RC guy, "he aint no slouch"!

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Terry, i can remember when beig a Tech Man was something to be proud of. And now, what a change!:rolleyes:

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So true Woodro, as I posted earlier the 1963 Class Winners and note the Disqualified ones and what they were Disqualified for. Right there in print, no hush or rumors.

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Still should be.

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It was at one time Woodro because of good racers like yourself. Its a different world today. Lots of bogus stuff being seen but looked at the other way not to mention the phoney HP factors. Its become like the politics of today. Back door deals and lies lies and more lies. Hope you are enjoying your retirement from this madness and the towing with $4 plus fuel. Im glad I was able to race early on when it was fun, almost affordable, and worked tech when I did. Its just not worth the many hours on your feet and the lack of an association backing you up any more. I met a lot of wonderful people (and some NOT so nice) thru this thing called drag racing.

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They dont get any better than Dave Ley and Travis Miller. Glad to know them and call them a friend. The same for my mentor.....Greg X from Div. 1.

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I was taken apart with Greg X. being the tech person many times, there was no funny business, if he didn't like what he saw, you were out. That's when the valve spring pressures had to be spec. and if the valve was bent or not, your presure had better come up right. I was tossed with a valve spring being too tight by 3 lbs. on the seat and the valve was bent. It didn't matter, it wasn't spec in Greg's eye. That's when Stock was Stock and no after market anything was allowed.
If you came apart at Maple Grove, you went to a pig farm for the tear down in an old barn. I think that that was one of Greg's favorite places for the tear downs.

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock

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Do you really want to go back to those days? I sure do not

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Heck, I would. Hair was still brown & all here, nothing hurt, more energy. LOL

Been through tear downs with Red Anderson, Wesley Roberson, and Chuck Nelson.
Like and much respect for all of them. Tough tech men are great. That's the way it should be.

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Agreed. Met Wesley at Gaineville back in 74 or 75. Tuff, smart but fair. Ended up buying a 2 piece alum degree wheel for checking cam duration and overlap from Red Anderson so the old tape method wasnt needed and I still have it. Another smart and good tech guy. Never knew Chuck Nelson but heard about him. Marty Barrett was another great if you had strong fenders on your car. The alum. fendered car guys didnt care for him much though.

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Chuck Nelson is still our tech director. See him every race. Great, no BS guy. Runs the scales. Always try to visit with him at each race. We ain't getting any younger. LOL

Red is a pretty sharp machinist. He made all that checking stuff. Really bright guy. Just a young kid when I started racing, scared to death of him until I got to know him. LOL

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Ed you are right, Chuck has always been a straight shooter with me, Wesley one of the best if not the best Tech men i have ever met, now Mr Red, what a guy another straight shooter, just dont jack him around. I always enjoyed racing Div 4, bunch of nice people and racers alike!;)