Index right but dial in wrong in class?
 

I just got an instant hit LOL
From 13.85 to 11.40.
They had my index right, but dialed me at 11.40. This was in class runoffs. So no dial ins.
Came real close to getting the hit -1.192. I got passed just past the 1/8 mile so I thought I had some going away and wanted to run it out to log it and find the problem.
No Dial boxes at this track just the boards past the finish line and with the dew I could not see it.
I hate to sound like a cry baby. But they got it right the 3 prior runs. They were uspet that I wound up with 2 bye runs. One earned by taking out the number one qualifier (in the combo class) and one because my opponent didn't show. Then in the final I got a dial in instead of an index.
I can understand a typo. But where do you get 11.40 from 13.85. A 13.0 or even a 12.85 maybe, even an 11.85 But 11.40 Come On
They had a miss dial in stock and it was reran. I was told tough doodoo.
I feel I got screwed by someone, And if it was on purpose I pray for the worst possible things to happen to who ever did it.

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It's been a bad trip for me totally.
At Valdosta my timing (crank trigger) wheel came off. I jury rigged it but at Gainesville it came loose again. This time i thought I got it fixed right. Only to find it loosening up again today. I tightened it up again and reset the ecu. I don't have a keyed balancer It just presses on (tight) so I need at least three or more runs to reset my fuel timing.
If it doesnt loosen up again? I'm getting ready for the CIC race. I wonder what they will do? Nothing I hope.
I want to win fair and square nothing more nothing less.

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Sounds like they should have rerun you Art. Bummer.

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I don't think they will rerun it. But I checked all the ss indexes and there are None at 11.40
Someone screwed me. They put a dial in where there was not supposed to be one.
Sounds to me like the time we ran the final round three times at seattle. But the a$$holes didn't realize we won the Grace cup once we made it into the final. At that point nobody could have caught us.

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I just checked drag race central my index is now 11.40 (according to them)
Looks like we have a new and improved Artie Leong Rule.
Step 1 add 13 horsepower to 152 horsepower. when the car never went fast at a national event. (there rules at the time)
Step 2 change index from 13.85 to 11.40 Their list doesn't even go that far A 2.45 index hit because I went 8 tenths under the index.

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It was 11.40 from the C/SA run that was before yours. They never changed it, I realized it was wrong right when John cleggs tree started coming down. Really crappy way to lose

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Art

The Index deal is just wrong on several levels.

Hope cooler heads prevail.

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This should NOT be allowed to stand! It was their fault and Art got screwed. They reran another miss dial, why not Art's? Come on NHRA show us you do care about doing the right thing. Correct YOUR mistake!

Art, who did you run against? Are they willing to do the right thing and rerun? Jim


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Art,

1) I know you're upset, just like I was last week, but insinuating that someone might have done that to you on purpose is not going to further your argument. It was a mistake, one that sucks for sure, but as was gone over in the thread about my 2nd round loss at Gainesville, NHRA's position and rule is that it is our responsibility as a racer to verify the correct dial in.

2) you should really invest in getting a keyed balancer and having a keyway cut in the crank. If it spins on the crank, it will never hold properly again. It also sounds like you have a bad harmonic damper to begin with if your timing wheel keeps loosening up.

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I don't think anyone thinks this was done on purpose. Art is rightly upset. NHRA made the mistake, it is up to them to correct it. It also is up to John Clegg to insist that there be a rerun.

JOHN CLEGG..... Art Leong technically beat you by .303 if his index had been correctly input. I call on you to insist there be a rerun and race Art fair and square. I'm sure you don't want to win class like this. Art can complain all he wants and will come off looking like a poor sport to some. You, NHRA and Art know what really happened. So do we now that it is posted on DRC. You got beat by .303 ! Now please do the right thing. Contact the appropriate NHRA official and rerun Art! Jim

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Art's first post mentioned that someone might have done it on purpose, and he should have never posted that. I know he's upset, and rightfully so. But I learned NHRAs policy the hard way last weekend. I DO think NHRA should be responsible for entering the dial/index correctly provided you have it clearly written on the car.

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Agreed! Jim

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The tower has been calling Art and John Clegg up this morning. Hopefully they will straighten this up.

Patsy

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Good.

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Great. And thanks to the NHRA guys who answer their phones! You know who you are! Jim


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I was wondering how long it would take before the Grace Cup was invoked. :)

Glad to hear you got a rerun.


-Toby

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The never ending saga of how NHRA is out to get him ! Like they really give a crap....

There is a conspiracy against him that has been going on for 30+ years...LOL

The dude gets a rerun and goes red by a half an hour....

By all rights and by the rules we run on everywhere...he should never have been given that rerun.....

He staged...that meant he accepted the dial-ins on the board.......saying you can't see it means you should have stopped before you staged and asked what was up there on the boards.....

But they obviously accepted his story and gave him a second shot....

So maybe he should thank NHRA for giving him a second shot and breaking their own rule just for
him.......

Some common rules we race under...

You stage, it means you accept the dial-ins on the boards.
You can't change your dial-in past a certain point....usually the head of the staging lanes.
You can't change your dial-ins for a rerun should one be needed for some reason usually a timing or computer or tree malfunction.
First or worst
Courtesy staging infraction when it's being used...
Time out on staging with AutoStart
Just some I can think of.....and someone who has been racing for a zillion years ought to know them just as well as I do.....and accept them without whinning.....

Yea I know I'm going to get blasted for being mean......but I feel like it should not have happened by the rules we usually race under....

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You are allowed to change your dial-in on a rerun.

Another rule people might not know is you are not allowed to work on your car when you've been backed off the line for whatever reason.


-Toby

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Chad the way they are explaining there were no shoe polish indexes written on the window they were running off of class index and no dial in boards in the water box?

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Not around here Toby.....

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the last rerun i had toby they would not let us change our dial and kept our time slips but @ gainesville pts race ed richardson refused to let his competitor change his dial he lost because no one explained it to him until it was to late, jim collins our tech director said it has been in the rule book for 19 years? Learn something everyday and mr collins is as fair as they come.

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Well, maybe at a local bracket race, but at an NHRA national or divisional you can. At least that's how I've seen it done.

It only makes sense because with most reruns you are hot lapped and keeping the same dial-in is a bit unrealistic.


-Toby

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X2

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So was Ed's opponent allowed to change his dial or not?


-Toby

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From the NHRA rulebook:

DIALING UNDER THE INDEX
Contestants in Super Stock and Stock have the option of dialing
under their class’ assigned index. It is the responsibility of each
contestant to place the selected time on the windshield and towerside
window prior to each round of competition. Dial-unders may be
changed between rounds, including a rerun situation. All
contestants not choosing to dial under will automatically be
handicapped on the basis of their assigned class index. In cases
where two cars of the same class are paired, the race is conducted
on a heads-up basis, regardless of any dialing-under
considerations, and breakout rulings do not apply.

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yes toby, that was the whole stink of it the clocks malfunctioned and his guy got a time slip with his run on it and ed got a blank slip so the guy changed his dial 8 hundreths ed was so mad he wouldnt run basically he got a time run and ed didnt so just saying and starting first round with a time shot is big and your slip is blank? And it was a rerun.

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I think this sentence in my above quote of the rulebook is why Art got a rerun:

"All contestants not choosing to dial under will automatically be
handicapped on the basis of their assigned class index."


-Toby

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Yeah, that's a bad deal, but if you saw your competitor dial up .08, wouldn't you dial up also?


-Toby

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I see it does say a dial in can be changed on a rerun....So I stand corrected.

Local bracket races are NOT allowed to change a dial-in....I've been in a race or two like that and was told I could not change my dial-in.....I assumed it was a rule applied across the board in all dail-in racing....

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he had to change conv free time run with new stuff and he didnt get one i would be mad to if anything no time slip should have been given

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Who had to change converters and didn't get a time run, Ed or the other guy or both? If they didn't give out time slips, he could have just asked his crew or anybody that saw it what he ran, right? It's a very unfortunate situation, but I don't see how it could have been handled any differently.


-Toby

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the guy ed ran got his time slip and eds didnt get one because of the tree malfunction so i guess he got a time run and ed didnt and it was unfortunate good info for a run 20 min later

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My local track will allow dial in changes on reruns,and if there`s a delay or downtime longer than 5 minutes you can change your dial in. Even if you are the pair on the starting line.

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I had a rerun at the Gainesville Points race a couple weeks ago and they let both of us redial. It's in the books! I guess Div.1 needs to get with the program. Jim

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Hi Chad. On number one you are right as far as a dial in goes. It is not your responsibility to verify an index though that is the towers job.
On number 2 my damper did not spin on the crank. It is slightly tapered which was why we didn't cut it and the crank for a keyway. The problem was the adapter that bolts to the damper. came loose, causing the trigger wheel and the adapter to fall off even though I used red locktite and torqued the bolts accordingly. Vibration/harmonics (especially when on the 2 step) on an inline 4 cylinder is ten times worst than any V engine. Even though the crank was spin balanced (which I'm told is unnecessary on a 4 cylinder).

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glad i could help.

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Joe I think I know the answer, but does my 12.65 pass count in your top ten? As far as I know the run never happened. Which will be fine with me.

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I am fine with it never happening too!! lol

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tim and art you both better hope it didn't happen LOL

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Wasn't Art's fast run during the CIC Race? I thought the CIC race didn't count towards the AHFS. If it did...well...there will be several unhappy racers. LOL