John Clegg... Please Do The Right Thing!
 

JOHN CLEGG..... Art Leong technically beat you by .303 if his index had been correctly used and considering reaction times. I call on you to insist there be a rerun and race Art fair and square. I'm sure you don't want to win class like this. Art can complain all he wants and will come off looking like a poor sport to some. You, NHRA and Art know what really happened. So do we now that it is posted on DRC. You got beat by .303 ! Now please do the right thing. Contact the appropriate NHRA official and rerun Art! If you both are in agreement I'm sure they will have to rerun you guys. Thanks, Jim


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BELLE ROSE, La. - Results of final, round 4 class eliminations in Super Stock at the NHRA, Ninth annual JEG'S.com Cajun SPORTSnationals:

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET---Speed-------------------Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT----ET---Speed

4483 John Clegg............................................. .....................2095 Arthur Leong
C4 ****WINNER**** 0.148...8.085 @167.47..................... 0.175...12.658 @107.05
SS/AM Index: 9.00 (+/-): -0.915 ...........................................SS/GS Index: 11.40 (+/-): 1.258

Prior rounds:
C3 (R Haas ) 0.064 8.407 127.76......................................Broke Bye...1.402 28.195 44.37
C2 (D Rampy ) 1.619 19.492 59.82...................................Legal Bye....0.171 13.190 74.95
C1 (M Crutchfiel) 0.103 8.104 167.66...............................(P Candies ) 0.056 12.895 105.64
Qualified:........... #85 13.328 NS .................................................. ................... #40 13.056 NS

Not exactly a couple of stellar RT's !

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They are goin to re run it

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they will rerun it

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great! thanks to the NHRA guys who answered their phones and all concerned who did the right thing! Jim


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Isn’t it Art’s responsibility to make sure his index is correct on the board before he stages?

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Yep, that's NHRA's catch 22 so they they can say they aren't responsible, but they are responsible! Jim


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Technically I think it's the towers responsibility to have your index correct. Once you put a dial in on the car, then it is your responsibility to verify that it's correct prior to staging.

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Dats right pup! Good luck to u and ur dad this weekend

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Why is it John Clegg who has to "do the right thing"? Art staged his car and made the run. It's over.

The check your dial rule is in place simply because mistakes do happen. It's not a conspiracy against Art.

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I agree it's happened to me before you simply open your door get the starters attention and point to the dial and they fix it happens all the time not a big deal.

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BELLE ROSE, La. - (Revised) Results of final, round 4 class eliminations in Super Stock at the NHRA, Ninth annual JEG'S.com Cajun SPORTSnationals:

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET---Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT----ET---Speed
4483 John Clegg 2095 Arthur Leong
C4 ****WINNER**** 0.191 8.131 167.20 -0.211 15.775 53.31
SS/AM Index: 9.00 (+/-): -0.869 SS/GS Index: 13.85 (+/-): 1.925
Prior rounds:
C3 (R Haas ) 0.064 8.407 127.76 1.402 28.195 44.37
C2 (D Rampy ) 1.619 19.492 59.82 0.171 13.190 74.95
C1 (M Crutchfiel) 0.103 8.104 167.66 (P Candies ) 0.056 12.895 105.64
Qualified: #85 13.328 NS #40 13.056 NS
NOTE: Actual lanes not known. Winner listed first.
This final was rerun because Leong's index was incorrectly entered in the timing computer when they ran last night.
Leong went red, Clegg is the Combo-Auto class winner.

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Joe, you don't have the facts of the situation. The run happened after 11PM and they starting line crew had taken the dial in boxes down. There was a low lying fog that made it almost impossible to even see the finish line scoreboards. According to the NHRA rule book the tower is responsible for the input of a competitors class index, if the competitor dials under he is responsible for making sure the dial in is clearly visible for the tower.

Both competitors assumed the tower was doing their job, they were wrong, the NHRA officials agreed based on written rules and there was a rerun. Art red lighted and the rest is history. Those are the facts. You apparently need to read YOUR rule book before giving advice sir. NHRA made the right decision. Jim

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Once again, you are not familiar with the NHRA rule book and you were not there. You are wrong and NHRA made a mistake and corrected it. End of story! Jim

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Jim, I think Bigshow's point is its not John Clegg's place to do anything but be cordial and understanding about the situation.
It is NHRA and the Tracks responsibility to to remedy the situation not John.
I do not know either of the people involved but mistakes are made and a mutual remedy can be made if everyone keeps their heads straight.
My question is if the fog was bad enough to keep the scoreboards from being seen why were there any cars even on the track.
I would have been more upset about running into a fog with a wet track than anything else.

NHRA touts safety but if you have been around long enough you have witnessed the same issue before. I ran at 8 AM in Indy a few years ago and the scoreboards were not visible from the starting line. I did not make a full pass as I was not comfortable running into a fog and not knowing what was in front of me. I lost and that was the end of the story except I have not been back to Indy since.
NHRA preaches Safety but do not always practice what they preach.
My 2 Cents
Rick Cates

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Why in the world would the starting line crew take the dial in boxes down??
John Clegg is much braver than I, running 170 mph into the fog!

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Rick, you are absolutely correct on all counts! My point was I was asking John to be acceptable to the situation and agree to the rerun as it was, given all the actual facts, it was the only right thing to do. I have no problem with John. In fact I don't believe I have ever met the gentleman. but I do respect the fact that he agreed to the rerun without making it a big deal. Jim

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Jim, you need to meet John. He is an absolute gentleman.

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I'm sure he is Ed, and as I stated I respect him for handling the situation the way he did. Sorry if I came off harshly to you Ed but I got way too involved in this deal and spent many hours investigating and making phone calls. I hate to see anyone screwed like that, especially a friend. Sorry

They stated to Art that they took the boxes down "because it was late and they were in a hurry to get out of there". A sorry excuse if you ask me. Did anybody ask me? Oh, ok, well you got my opinion anyway! Jim

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They haven't been using dial boxes all weekend. Also, it was much easier to see the scoreboards at night than during the day, I was on the starting line and could very clearly see the scoreboards. I'm not saying there shouldn't have been a rerun, just stating what I saw.

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That's a interesting statement. You are the only person I have heard state there have been no boxes all weekend! I have spoken to at least 8 racers who have made passes this weekend and all but one (I forgot to ask him) said that the boxes have been there. Also it's funny that the tower stated that the boxes were removed because it was getting late and they wanted to "get out of there". Somebody should pay more attention! Hum? Just sayin'. Jim


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So you weren't there either????

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I was there it was handled all parties are ok now, its a done deal enough said, stop just stop.

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Nope. Never said I was Mark. Jim

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Right you are Joe! Done deal. Jim

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I guess I'm blind lol, I just looked at the scoreboards to check it for first round

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I find it strange that Jim is calling out John. It wasn't his fault. Who is he to call him out on this forum? I'm calling you out Jim. Your out of line!

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Oh boy! I didn't "call out" anybody. Nope, it wasn't John's fault, but he held sway as to correcting the screw up. He was part of the deal. Did you read the part where I said I respected him for the way he handled the decision? No? You better reread (or read for the first time) what I wrote before making stupid statements, or don't you have the concentration level to read all the previous posts? As Joe stated, it's a done deal, everyone is ok with it .......... but you. You're just a little late to the party and don't have a clue. Jim

To answer your question: "Who am I?" I am NHRA's worst nightmare when they don't do their job correctly!

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Oh the ones that you are looking at at 1PM in the afternoon with the sun blazing though clear skies? Yeah visibility would be exactly the same as 11:30 at night through a fog. Guess ya got me!

So who was even talking about scoreboards? You *are* familiar with the dial in boxes that are just in front of the burn out area..... aren't you? They are used at all National Events and most Divisionals? No? Well then that explains it. Jim

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I'm pretty sure they also rerun them in comp when the index is wrong. I remember seeing a rerun in comp because they didn't have the correct CIC adjustment entered.


-Toby

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Hey I wasn't being sarcastic at all, I just missed them, I guess I never really had to check them.

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OK Andrew, I thought you were getting sh*ty:eek: with me and I have had enough of that today. Sorry.:rolleyes: Jim

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Yes sir, you are correct! I have seen that also. The tower is responsible for the correct index input, especially if there has been a CIC involved! Jim


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Jim maybe you should look at the title of your post. Apparently you don't understand what you yourself have written. You have this post telling someone to do the right thing. Your drunk. How do you do that? Your being a drama queen. If that's your thing then more power to you.

As for being NHRA's worth nightmare.. Please. I really would like to see you bent over in that position you have to get to in order to blow the smoke up your own ***.

Where is Perrone?

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Keith...tell him, I studder.....LOL

Art got a rerun......Send NHRA a big THANKYOU and also one to Mr Clegg for agreeing to that rerun....

Yea I agree NHRA or the tower personnel screwed up and I'd be PO'ed too but if someone told me .....YOU staged and accepted the numbers up on the boards.....I'd put my tale between my legs and accept it....



OH.....and I raced today (at Englishtown) and by a big coincidence.....I lost to a racer who I once had to RERUN due to a timing malfunction.......That was a good 10 years ago at my local track, Island Dragway duing a bracket race. I was NOT allowed to change my dial-in for that rerun......and he said that was the rule and the track lane workers agreed......I won that rerun anyway.....He won today's round.....by .008........

Carry On.....

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The tower is responsible for entering the dial, but the driver is responsible for checking it before staging.

Ever worked the tower at a race? Things happen very quickly and mistakes get made, especially if they are running late or trying to rush a lot of cars through. The car you're looking out the tower window at could actually be 3 pairs down the line.

Art is lucky he got a rerun. Glad to see he made the most of it.

Also glad to see Mr. Clegg didn't get screwed.

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There was no dial-in. The tower never entered a dial-in. The driver never put a dial-in on their window. There was an index. Once the tower enters your number, the computer should put the correct index on the board. The correct index was not on the board. The driver is responsible for checking their dial-in, but once again, there was no dial-in.

See the difference?


-Toby

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Well this is the first time I'm on here since Friday night.
This is what happened. From someone who was there.
There were no dial boxes up when we ran.
There was haze maybe you could see the boards but some could not. Especially through a windshield that was trying to fog up.
They had the index right the 3 prior runs, Why would they change it?
When I went to the tower after the run, I was told that it was over and done. But they reran another pair of cars for the same thing earlier.

When I ran I got passed at the eight mile mark. So I thought I had a problem with the car (something that was happening for the last week and a half). So I ran it through, so I could look at the datalogger and try to see what was going on. With my car many times you can't tell a good run from a slow one till you get to the finish line. I was livid that the run would count for the AFHS. It was .008 for an instant hit of .015 off my index..
The next day I went to the tower to have the run scored on my 11.40 index not my 13.85.
They went though the rules and found the tower is responsible for the index. Not the drivers. So they deemed the run would have to be reran.
I stayed up the whole night Friday night. Trying to figure out what could have caused this.
The time slip had my index of 13.85 on it with a 11.40 dial in. I looked for a superstock index of 11.40 there were none. I thought about a typo and could not get an 11.40 out of a 13.85. To say I was beside myself was an understatement. I really thought someone had it in for me. Even when I went to the tower in the morning. There were dial boxes up and they told me they were up the night before. I knew different.
Thanks to Nitro Joe, he figured out what had happened. There were 2 C/SA cars go down the track just before we ran. And the clocks in my lane didn't reset. So there was nothing intentional. Just a computer malfuntion.
Things sometimes happen for a reason. I had had a bad leak in my passenger side tire. If we would have reran the run on Friday night I would have just aired it up and ran.
Well on Saturday after they told me we were going to rerun. I tried putting "green slime" in the tire. In the daylight I saw The problem the cords were showing all around the tire. My 2 spares were delaminating, so they couldn't be run.
I thought about going for one more pass. But the thought of my car getting out of shape on the big end with a 170 mph car coming at me. Won the arguement hands down.
John Clegg was a perfect gentleman. He had a lot going on but came up to rerun. He got the win he deserved.

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The driver is not responsible for the index, only for a dial in.
You can look at a cars windows and see their dial in. Do you know all the indexes in the eliminator you run?

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Where is Perrone? Why he's right there behind you! Can't you feel him? And look! There's Ed O'Brien waiting next in line! Jim

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