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Who Builds the best Super Stock SBC heads now ?
Send me a PM if you like,,,,

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I think John Gulius is still pretty good Ken. 570-829-0385

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There are a couple of different ways to answer your question,IMO the best bang for your horsepower buck is without a doubt Dave Layer at Heads Up, he sells a VERY competitive product at a very fair price and gets it done when he says he will and most importantly to us is the fact that the stuff always passes tech like it should. As far as the SBC, and most super stock engines in general Dave is the man. Is there better stuff available? Well of course there is, but for what its worth there is always better stuff available in every aspect of racing and life in general for that matter, but the amount of money that you will spend versus the improvements that you will see can get into the kind of money that could get you two, and sometimes even three sets of heads from Dave for E.T. differences of anywhere from .001 to a tenth. But the people that are able to do this type of work for you are almost always involved in some other form of racing so it can sometimes take 6 months to a year just to get you stuff back. I find it a little humorous that most of the stuff that I have seen that is supposed to be better than Dave's stuff is usually built out of his heads in the first place, including some that I have seen from the above mentioned gentleman. On a closing note, i've got a pretty good feeling that if somebody called Dave and said "Hey, I'm interested in buying a set of "xxx" small block chevy heads from you and am willing to pay you an extra ten grand on top of the package price that you already quoted me, are you interested in trying to make me something better?" I am pretty sure that he would be more than happy to discuss the matter with you.

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Thanks Angelo, Hope all is well ,,,

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Thanks Aaron,
I have had a number of BB heads done by Dave and they were Top Quailty,
I was just thinking of SBC heads.
Please tell your Dad I said Hi, Tell him we need to go Bass fishing again, I'll even bring my boat. Florida is calling !!

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Ken , I believe theres alot of choices out there . However Gary Hettler would be #1 in my opinion . I've had great service and he stands behind what he dose . He'll help you out in many other ways too if he's got some ideas on your combination . Good news he's back on the east coast .

Marc

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CFE Racing

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John Gulius It's better to do it right the first time.

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I am with Ang and Joe G. Gulius all the way.

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I have to say if, you are not running GT/BA I would also recommend John Gulius. He gets a bad wrap on being expensive. I don't have a big budget and found him very easy to work with. I think if you don't at least talk to him you will regret it.
Hope that helps Ken

Kent

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Jimmy Bell at Mike Trumbles is very good.
Thanks

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John Gulius

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Maybe sometime this year we will all be lucky enough to see you and Jeff Dona race each other and then we will at least know who does the better LT-1 head.

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Hi Ken- yes all is well hope the same for you... Thanks & good luck with the new project
Like Kent H said. ... I just hope it's. It in my class !

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That would be fun Aaron.... Before ahfs racers used to look forward th heads up races...... But you know no matter what the outcome.. there would be more to it than just who did the head work.

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Anyone have a firebird I can borrow??

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I'd like to see you two plus Gary Emmons all at SS/ JA weight, except I would probably go shoot myself afterwards. LOL

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Dont forget Byron Worner and Larry DeForrest, another good running LT-1 Camaro and Firebird.
Maybe there should be a LT-1 Nationals somewhere....lol.

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Good One...be a fun race to watch !!!! Better than SS bracket racing all the time.

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Bryon is a GT car, right? I did forget Deforest. Sorry. He's bad fast too. Chuck Norton's car too, but I forgot who bought it from Steph.

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Bryans car is a GT car, Byron runs SS/IA. Didnt Wong buy Nortons car??

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Steph Wong became "in a family way" and they sold it. Chuck told me to who, but I'm old so I forgot.
Byron has run SS/JA, I saw where he was very fast in J at Gainsville a few years ago. Maybe 4 or 5 years ago? They can all make SS/JA or SS/IA weight. I can't get my tank that light. Well, me and my tank. LOL

Sorry I spelled Bryan's name incorrectly.

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My point exactly! The only way to really do it and have some fun would be to have it at one of the races where ahfs does'nt apply, like the one at the end of the year at Bowling Green.I think someone might have got the impression that I was trying to call you out and that was certainly not my intention. My point was that I knew it would be an awesome race because anytime a Gulius and Keown engine go to the line,ESPECIALLY heads up with no ahfs B.S. to worry about it will always be a blast to watch and a great race.And whoever said something about an all LT-1 race, man that sounds like an awesome idea.

Next issue:
Last time I checked you were still running a 327, unless you have recently acquired an LT-1 or have always had one that I was just not aware.Just out of curiousity when and where was the last time you ran this combo.. BTW,There are plenty of nice firebirds out there for sale so whenever you feel froggy go ahead and leap. And if you really want your feelings hurt (I am assuming Bret built this LT-1 of yours) bring it on down to dyno and I'll let you know how much you really have ;) Remember I'm less than a 20 min. drive for you so its a standing offer.

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There is an all-LT1 race at BG, but it's the same weekend we are at Indy. They would have to make a new class for big tires & 4 links.

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Come to the SportsNational Open at Bowling Green Memorial Day weekend. Run the NitroPlate $5K combo race, and you can go as fast as you want.

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Hi Angelo,
Project is for a friend ,I was trying to give him an idea of who to use
We all know it takes alot more than a good set of heads !
Sorry if I got a mess going here.

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No mess at all Ken........ its all good!

and Aaron..... I don't think anyone got that impression at all...... I certainly didn't.

Besides........ if all the cars that could ...... put em at SS/IA weight for a showdown we all know who would win......that Challenger !

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He MIGHT have to connect the other two barrels on his throttle body. Maybe not.

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Glad to hear it Angelo, and trust me if there is one other super stock engine builder that keeps me up at night it is deffinately John Gulius.As for the original idea of an LT-1 race,all the more reason to make it LT-1 only.And if we did do a race like the one you mentioned,would'nt it make it a little more fun if the LT-1's could actually run a throttle body the same size as the Challenger.Things that make you go HMMM...

Ken,what combo is your friend building if you don't mind me asking.Maybe that will help to maybe resolve this a little better.

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Ed,you beat me to it,I was actually posting my above post before I saw yours,but OH SO TRUE my friend!

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Aaron, same displacement, valve sizes, port sizes, flow rates, compression ratio and HP rating would help also. LOL

Gotta wonder on what planet the 5.9 DP & the LT1 could both be rated the same 275 HP.

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Hey Aaron,
Thanks for the offer on the free dyno tune, but it's not needed here and I feel like there is no reason for me to educate you on on LT1 tuning . Since everytime i see the car you are so proud of has the FAST guys tunning it. It takes a little more than just bolting one together to claim it as your the reason its fast.

It shows how little you know about my stuff when the only info you have is what is listed in the Nitro stats(by the way how old are you) I just want to make sure I'm not talking to a 12 year old.

P.S. I feel froggy...........

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Please tell me in the the above post where I said anything about a free Dyno tuneing sesion,I was just trying to be kind enough to actually show you how much power you were actually making.But just because it would hurt your feelings certainly does not mean that it would be free :D

I never once claimed to be an e.f.i. tuning expert. And it may seem stupid to you but my course of thinking goes why not go ahead and have the guys who built and designed the system tune it for you, but that seems as if it offends you,or maybe you actually believe that you know more about it than they do.Maybe you shoud see if you can build a better program than the fast boys, since I'm sure there would be plenty of folks who would love to do buisness with you if you could.And I don't do the nitro stats,I just searched your name and car number on drag race central and looked through a few years,especially the last few and I did'nt see anything but your current combo, please don't let it hurt your feelings.So let me ask again,and maybe instead of trying to change the subject by slinging insults this time maybe you will actually ansewer my question.

And as far as your question, I just turned 35 this past month, but mabe you will recognize me as the guy who "bolted together" the engine that qualified numder one and set the SS/F record at bella rose this past weekend.
record.But hey what do I know "I just bolt stuff together"

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Mr. Bugaj, I do not run EFI; however I would recommend Heads Up Cylinder Heads for your friends project, if he is looking for a quality Cylinder Head at a reasonable price. Many other engine builders have been mentioned and they might be a consideration depending on the level of performance and money your friend is willing to spend. Mr. Layer does CNC cylinder heads for a good number of the premier engine builders out there, who then put there personal touch on them; however with the HP rating on the LT-1 where it's at, I do not believe it really matters where you go, unless you want HP on the combo, lol!

PS: Mr. Keown, please keep "bolting" motors together, lol! Your time is actually worth money and you have too much class to bother with people who posess neither.

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Kevin,
Do you really want to get into this?

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Ding Ding, round two....

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Aaron,
I must have assumed on the free dyno tune, my bad nothing is free.I believe tuning your own stuff is important, but thats my opinion if you choose to use someone else thats great for you, my bad again...

Bret and I tune my LT ( Yes LT not a 327) and the way it performed at Indy last year should speek for itself.


Congrats to Dan and everyone that is or has been involved with the success of getting the SS/F record and # 1Q spot

Kevin Gaffney,

You and Shawn still owe Bret 13k for that engine you never paid for back in 2008,You have some nerve questioning my character.....

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lol!

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Dave, if I really owe him that money, come on over with Bret @ Indy and get it. Anybody who knows me and my brother knows we pay, and pay without question, even Bret knows that, thats how we met. Obviously more to the story...

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Dave, guess your running GT? What body and class are you running? Do you have the iron or alum heads? Alum in GT is a tough factor.