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I got a email from the div 6 rep the other evening asking for input on whether aftermarket crankshafts and seats should be allowed in stock and I've been wondering since how long it will be before NHRA does away with stock and super stock and just calls us stock appearing. The payouts are nil and running for class is not what it used to be, They sure don't seem to want to police us anymore so why have the rules anyways?
I think we are seeing the end of what it used to be.

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Yeah, it would be nice to have a more restrictive type stock eliminator class like it was before 1984.
That's why I am so attracted to the IHRA Pure Stock class....I can actually build a car with stock parts. :)

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Neither of those have any sort of performance advantage. The seats are a safety issue and last 396/427 cranks I bought cost more than a new eagle and needed $800 worth of work

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What if they don't make a shaft for your application???

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Then you don't get the SHAFT! :eek::rolleyes:Jim


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Someone will.

And aftermarket forgings are already legal in Super Stock.


Wonder how many people who wanted roller rockers in Stock Eliminator will now complain about aftermarket crankshafts?

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:mad:Here we go again with NHRA getting paid and not wanting to do their job. Membership and entry fees are just a couple of the many ways that NHRA gets their funding for employing people to do the checking and certifying of the "classes" that we race in. All NHRA wants is nothing more then a pretty car bracket race without any policing involved. This has been the trend since the valve spring rule change, which I beleive was the down fall of Stock to where we are now, bastardized modified product cars calling themselfs Stock. Just my point of view, but when I started running Stock in 1974, I had a bumper bolt missing because of my tow bar, I couldn't race until I got the proper bolt that belonged to the car before they allowed me to pass tech. That was pre registration tech.
Tear down was another whole world, you had better have everything correct with the OEM parts or just take it home.

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock

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We probably have as long as we want to race. I do not have a problem with after market seat and replacement seats. Stock and Super Stock is mostly a bracket race , a rather expensive one at that.

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Long over due on both , who knows maybe the crank and seat manufacture will pay contingency . Win win for everybody. I voted yes

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No one wanted diapers so now they want to let people get aftermarket cranks to help cut down on oil downs. I've said before, everyone should have a diaper. The car you save may not be yours since a lot of you don't seem to care about the possibility that you may be the one with the broken engine.
Chuck

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LOL



Don't give Glendora any ideas ;)

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They pitted some pro stockers and all the alcohol cars in the grass at Houston last week.

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The cars in stock should have stock seats. Seats are available you just have to look.

Cranks are ok if they are oem size and weight, with a stroke of + / - .015" and stock journal size with a tolerance of +.000'' and - .060''.

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That's what I'm thinking. What the heck is the difference ? Make sure the counter-weights are correct, and your'e there.
Like mentioned... as long as we don't have to replace them every two years.

I have a 47 year-old crank in my engine. Wouldn't hurt my feelings to have a new one.

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Why did he ask you ??????????????????

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Post your real name and I'll tell you.

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Yep, let's keep 40+ year seats on race cars that wheel stand and go speeds that their seats were not designed to sustain.

I support the use of "Stock Appearing" aftermarket racing seats that are safer than the OEM seats.

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Hmmmmm . . . "seats sustaining speed" is strange to me. I didn't know any seat was built to "sustain speed".

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Now that the question has been asked. There is no way they can turn down the aftermarket seat rule. If someone using a stock seat were to get hurt and seat failure was the blame. They or there family would have a blank check signed by nhra.
It would have been different before but once it was made public they would no doubt be found negligent.

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Do they make bench racing seats, just wondering?

Ron Ortiz
U/SA sustained speed for a long duration

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ron,
you sir are allowed a super trick ultra balanced killer $2000 crank to go with your soup can 2bbl that wont RPM over 5200 > and a six slat park bench for a front seat (must be green).

are you serious "how much longer" hell about 10 years ago when they did away with the spring & duration rule since then the bull**** just keeps on coming > $1000 roller rockers this year > $2000 for crank next year... we are DONE.

captain jack

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They are not.

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Jack, Ding ding ding. You win the beer of your choice.

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Just my $.02.... If a Stocker or Super Stocker, runs quicker than 10 flat and/or 130.00 mph, they should have an 8 point "cage", after market drag seats, and along with the mandatory full faced helmet, a Hans device should also be included as mandatory. JB

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Will my $10 helmet be o.k? lol

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I'd say if you spent or were offered $1000 rockers that are within the new rules, somebody is trying to screw you royal!

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Respectfully, Jeff, there are rocker sets out there that actually do cost that much with the modifications allowed to fit the application. Some applications can't have these types of modifications done physically. These are special built pieces that will pass the "new rule" but offer advantages over the common roller rocker. They are on the approved list but the modifications are not (in my opinion) in the spirit of the rule. Actually, we don't know what will go thru tech under the new rule until it is either kicked or passed. But I know of at least a couple that have been looked at and passed. Mostly because the people looking at them didn't know what they were looking for. That is the biggest reason some of us were against allowing rockers. I'm all for the interest of preventing engine failures in any way possible. Its like the disc brake rule that everyone wanted in the interest of saftey. What was really wanted was dual calipers or more holding power on the rear tires to allow higher stall speeds. I have stopped too many low 9 sec. drum brake heavy superstockers for years without any problems, however, I agree the discs are better at stopping. But stopping and saftey was, for many, a "smoke screen" as a way to get a car to work better off a chip in the first 60'.

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Yes, but only on YOUR head! Jim

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You read my mind

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Well...the seat subject was beaten to dead some time ago and contained some good information and perspectives from racers.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=27097

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Price a set of rollers for a Hemi. $1000 is cheap.

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Oh yea..forgot about that mega dollar piece. But then again, if you can afford to race a Hemi in Stock, an extra $500 or so above the cost of the typical wedge or canted valve in Stock. Hard to gain sympathy by using a Hemi as a crying post.

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Yes, point taken. But we both understand the intent of the rule and we both understand that ANY rule can be (and will be) taken to the nth degree by some. I'm sure somebody will have custom rockers for their application which will employ the design you allude to. But then again, somebody has probably built titanium rotors and hubs under the aftermarket brake rule.
The rules or even lack of rules will always have a few with unlimited budgets & unlimited egos doing whatever it takes.
I'm one example that decided to go back to Stock purely as a result of the roller rocker allowance. I bought the Comp Cams stainless rockers which was around $400 for my AMC. I think Harland Sharpe sells an aluminum roller for $250 or so and that would be acceptable to me if that was all that was available. Adjusting lash and or replacing rockers at the track is no fun on the schedule i kept. Luckily a broken rocker ever took out an wngine and dumped oil on the track.
And I know a few others that can now legally run roller rockers that ran them illegally in the past. That I do not condone but it was occurring

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Jeff back in 1980 I remember some front wheel assemblies that were made of very light material. The rule now has just made it fairer for everyone.
If they would have kept the valve spring rule, roller rockers would not be needed.

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Nom THATS funny right there!:D