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I think Butner's car use to be owned by Jimmy

Good luck with this week's event

Wish we could have made it work for us

Ron

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Hey Bret ,
You feel up to making that long trip to St Louis ? lol

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It's a brutal eleven-mile drive but I'm sure I'll have to pay for it somewhere down the road.

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Can't wait until this show get to Z-max. A lot of conversation in this area about the show when these cars get to Concord. Keep us posted of how the show goes in your back yard.

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Cars should fly weather looks great!

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Drew Skillman is flying! 5.70 @ 121. That's probably a low 8.90 in the 1/4, and he's 60 lbs heavy for BB/SA!

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Well that was interesting for Holbrook

200 ft carry and headed very hard right


Ron

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Nice job by Jimmy at the St Louis SCS - runner up against the baddest of the bad lately Drew Skillman - too bad it was only CJs

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Good job Drew!

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Good job Drew nice to meet ya this weekend!

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...X2

But congrats on your win anyways...

http://static.dragracecentral.com/st...ld9951_500.jpg

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Its a shame that the SCS is turning into a Cobra Jet Showdown.

Where are the V10 Challenger Drag pack cars? There were 50 built and I'd like to think a few would show up and run.

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Oh sure tow 2000 miles with no chance of winning - I am a drag racer but I still have a few brains left

Even Teuton has had enough of the "this is not NHRA" crap

When they told Dave Thomas to take his 3spd home - that closed the deal

Not NHRA my a**

Just like NHRA no bending to level the playing field just do what Jesse recommends

I am sure I will get eaten up for this post but I (and others) have had it

Dodge needs a blower car - the V10s can not compete without weight breaks which do not make sense

And it is hopeless for the NA V8s

Ron

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I agree Ron, good reply!

Dennis Breeden

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Give us a 3 speed, and we will be back. In the soup this weekend @ No Problem, we ran a 5.90 while churning the tires, but we are set up for 1/4 mile. Such is life.

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Ron - Even if you get beat up its worth it and you're still entitled to an opinion so just keep postin' .What I simply can't believe is the powers that be at ADRL can't see that there is a problem that needs to be fixed .......how long can they keep going when only 5 or 6 cars show up ?

Now I'll take a turn in the tank Ron ...........And everyone knows I've got big shoulders and can take it .

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Very well said.....

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wow, sent a car home from a 3 speeed.
should have let him run, and see what he does.
What is the weight difference from 5.7/6.1, V10 Drag Paks vs. super charged Fords.

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The DP's have trouble getting to 3250 with a hemi with the driver. Mine is probably one of the lightest around @ 3060 without a driver and a 360 which is about 30 lighter than a hemi. That's pro trans, 8 3/4, and all the other stuff. Bartons might be lighter except for the Dana. But then NHRA has the proposed weight of the natural v8's @ 3000 for the proposed shootout which is out of the question for a DP. Maybe the mustangs can get there or the new bowties. NHRA has also turned down a blower for mopar as well as a 3 speed for the v10, and no comment on the transmissions. If my information is right (which it probably ain't), the chevys all have glides, but a 3 speed is legal cause it's in the book. Actually that proposal had a lot of thought in it, but the weights and index won't make for competition, and you would have to run about 9.0 to get into the stock show. Maybe. Back to the weights on ADRL, I don't know what the final weights are. It sorta slipped by me. Looks like NHRA might want the same Mustang show. But who knows what the final outcome will be from either sanction. I still support both for the efforts. It's a lot of work and planning.

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When the SCS was first announced I asked many times how the weight was going to be handled to keep it from being a CJ shootout and never got an answer. Now we know, they're not going to handle it.

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I know it ruins your argument, Chris, but the ADRL DID let Dave run to "see what he does". I guess nobody remembers...or cares...when I addressed the situation in a previous thread.

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Real simple guys , 2 valves will never run with 4 valves. Jesse did not set this up Jeff and Bret did . If you want to race ADRL SCS get your money out and hire a real engine builder like Patterson or Barton and you will go fast like Skillman did and Barton can . Thats what Im doing , Patterson building mine now. Im on the porch until I get some power to race with

ADRL , just let any corporate transmission run in the cars , 2 spd , 3 spd or stick who cares and for that matter give the mopar a spec blower

I have said on this forum before , to run real heads up racing all has to be equal to start , cubic inch , blower , throttle body and one weight for every one or it just wont work .

COPO Camaro's 4L blower stay home you cant run with the 5.4 blower motor either

Bo Stock all over (LMAO)

Congrats Drew and Jimmy

Jeff , tell Joey to take the valve covers off that car and work on it . See you soon and you can talk some stuff

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I told you this was something

http://adrl.tv/?woo_video=chris-holb...owdown-wheelie

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I can't believe how things get twisted on here but I did say I would get hammered

Come on Bret - you let him run TTs - so you could see how it ran - then decide to disallow it when it turned out to be competitive - I was told the original plan was to allow the 3spd - by Jeff Teuton

And Bo - I have a lot of respect for you but you have know idea what we have done to ours and it is not competitive against a blown CJ - especially in bad air

We have definitely had the valve covers off of ours and yes we are a little faster than the other V10s but so what - we can't run with the blown CJs

I have to go to bed so I can get up early and go to work to make some more money to throw away drag racing LMFAO


Ron

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Andy , I hear you loud and clear and fully understand . Im just messing with Jeff and Joey about the valve covers .

But being serious I dont believe that any 2 valve motor can run with a 4 valve motor all things equal .

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Really? THAT'S what happened? Wow! I thought the three-speed was illegal in the Challenger, (since it was never offered as a factory option), before Dave ever ran.

Man! Thanks for that information. Even though I was there and you weren't, I would have never known the real story!

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Not loving that reply....

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I have a proper amount of respect for you and what this SCS is trying to do – that said I know this is going to hurt me but…

More than a few people know the "real story" (Dave Thomas, Jeff Teuton and others) you did not have to be there to know what happened – it did not all happen at that race – BTW he was not the first to run a 3spd – it is legal in SS (go figure)

I know you work for ADRL but you should try to avoid journalistic bias – ADRL had a chance to do something great but in the end they turned into “NHRA” with paperwork rules which allow uneven competition in what was supposed to be a level playing field, heads up class

I agree with Bo four valves vs two and add a blower - game over

Now have it Bret …..

Ron

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You're right, Ron. I just don't have a clue. Would it make you feel better if I cancelled the class?

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Bret you are taking this way to personal

I never said you did not have a clue nor did I say to cancel the class - I did not know it was up to you - if YOU cancel it - I am sure it will be because of a lot of factors not because of what gets said on here - most likely it will be due to lack of participation

ADRL lost the opportunity to create a genuine factory race car class because they decided not to entrepreneurially promote a level playing field for heads up racing with these so called SUPER CARS - It should have been exclusively FORD, GM and MOPAR – most of us US drag racers could care less about the foreign exotic cars being allowed

3spds across the board and a blown crate motor for the V8 MOPARs would have insured success

BTW - The only thing I really feel bad about is ADRL still does not have a west/left coast race

Respectfully your humble servant

Ron

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Don't worry; I won't cancel it. I made the decision last fall to stick to production equipment and therein lies the problem, (if there is one). We're only four races and less than five months into the program. Many things may change in the future but an equal number of things may not change in the future.

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has any of these foreign exotic cars entered or ran? or has this just been a cobra jet race?

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No exotics yet, Keith; only Fords and Dodges.

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Bret, I have no argument, or a dog in this fight, just a fan.
Factory gave the Dodge Challengers a 5 speed auto, Nag 1 trans I think.
I hope you let them use a 3 speed.
I don't have cure all to get the Challys back but please help get them back. As Bo says a 4 valve will out run a 2 valve, same argument in pro stock bike now.
Chevys are coming, but w a blower, you need the big 3 involved. This can be big as you predicted it would. And it should.
Yours truly, a fan. Chris OK.