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The 9.70 index will mean at INDY we will only run maybe 9.25 (weather) less than 50 under

Ron

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The worst-kept secret in dragracing is finally released! LOL!

Actually, I'm flattered.

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I got a feeling we will be the only 2 speed car in the class

Everyone else will have a three speed

Oh well - we are working on some secret stuff with our 2 speed - "film at eleven"

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Ron, don't tell me you didn't know that your car only came with a two speed when you purchased it. Please don't tell me that you didn't know that your car was normally aspirated when you purchased it.

Just trying to understand some of your posts. It's me, I'm sure. I'm a little slow sometimes.

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Lol? 10cyl is not, but it doesn't make it's own atmosphere.

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Well, Mr. Durham should have purchased a Mustang then.

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Sean - you and I have been through this before and you make me laugh at times - you know I knew what I was doing - they did not make a blown Chevrolet at the time and I could not bring myself to buy a Ford back then but I could now - they are a bad *** company

We can finish this up on Facebook - as usual

I bought what I wanted

I do not believe the V10 should be included in the super car class

I think it should be the CJs, COPOs and the soon to be announced Dodge crate motor V8 with a blower

We can go race with the cars in our class

It does not make sense to call it a heads up class by adding 400 pounds to the fastest cars to slow them down to run what the rest of us can run - just my thinking

Will we see you out with your CJ again soon?

See you at Sonoma buddy


Ron

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BTW - I think they are making some three speeds - soon to be announced and recognized - but so what as you point out it still will not make its on atmosphere

Ron

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Mine won't be there. At 9.70 you don't get into Stock Elimiator. There are 50 copo's with a 2 speed, no manuals or 3 speeds but they got a 3 speed. At 3000 lbs minimum for a v8, mine with a 360 (30 lighter than a hemi) weighs 3060 with no driver. Fat chance of getting to minimum. A proposal from Mopar for a 426 Alm block to make it closer on weight by 100 lbs and close the gap from 36 CU IN over our biggest not to mention 4 points of compression was turned down. I think I will just take my 25 cases of beer and run the natural classes.

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First I'll start off by saying this is fantastic! Heads up 1/4 mile! I loved it when the ADRL with its supercar showdown gave a stage for the new factory Drag cars to flex their muscle in competition for king of the strip. Its just I'm more of a "drag racing is 1320" person.

2nd I would like to see this happen at more events. Although Indy is my home track I'd still like to see it branch out and even go divisional.

3rd I think some of you don't realize weather/elevation really affects the blower cars also. It's not like a turbo car that will simply spin the turbine faster or slower until it reaches the desired boost level dictated by the waste gate. Now if we could change pulleys based on weather/altitude change........... The positive displacement blower draws in a fixed amount of air per engine revoulution and is very sensitive to inlet restriction and air quality. It can only compress the air that it draws in. Less air in means less air that can be compressed. A supercharged car can lose easily 40+HP(low ball figure) because of IATs telling the computer to yank timing over a certain temp at any point of a run. We have our own issues on this side of the fence also. It's not all just sunshine and lollipops.

So in conclusion. I'm excited about the heads up aspect of it and would like to see more of the heads up action take place in the future. See everyone in Indy.

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I can't imagine any of the V-8 Drag Paks wasting their time, not even David Barton. Too bad, it would be a great way to race but no one has a chance with a V-8 DP. 3,000 lbs ready to race? Maybe if Barton loses 200 lbs which I don't think would leave him with much, lol. Oh well, I'll still watch the supercharged cars battle it out.

Dennis Breeden

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Hmmmm.

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wish they would start delivering these COPOs.Jeff save some of that beer.

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It will be a two horse race at best, if Copos can get there in time.

Maybe when they do start running, and they start kicking the Fords butts, the NHRA will have to change some rules, and find another way to keep Ford on top.

But as long as Mopars are naturally asipirated, and the COPOS and FORDS are supercharged, it would be hard to think that the Mopars could be competetitive.

40 years ago, Mopars dominated and were "legislated" out. Now, by allowing blowers in Stock, but not allowing them on Mopars, the NHRA is essentially doing it all over again.

Oh well.... Y'all have fun out there....

David
The New Hemi Guy

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Ron, you could run a 5sp with that V10.
Mr. Jeff keep that beer cold, I'll be there to watch this show.

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Originally posted by D. Johns:
[QUOTE] First I'll start off by saying this is fantastic! Heads up 1/4 mile! I loved it when the ADRL with its supercar showdown gave a stage for the new factory Drag cars to flex their muscle in competition for king of the strip. Its just I'm more of a "drag racing is 1320" person.

2nd I would like to see this happen at more events. Although Indy is my home track I'd still like to see it branch out and even go divisional.

3rd I think some of you don't realize weather/elevation really affects the blower cars also. It's not like a turbo car that will simply spin the turbine faster or slower until it reaches the desired boost level dictated by the waste gate. Now if we could change pulleys based on weather/altitude change........... The positive displacement blower draws in a fixed amount of air per engine revoulution and is very sensitive to inlet restriction and air quality. It can only compress the air that it draws in. Less air in means less air that can be compressed. A supercharged car can lose easily 40+HP(low ball figure) because of IATs telling the computer to yank timing over a certain temp at any point of a run. We have our own issues on this side of the fence also. It's not all just sunshine and lollipops. [QUOTE]


That IAT pulling timing is only as much as your tuner wants it to be. It's a table that could be zeroed out if desired. From the factory they are always more aggressive pulling more timing than needed for race fuel.
Blown cars are effected by weather, but less than NA engines.

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Seeing as the blower cars went as quick as 5.82 at 119 mph at 3550 lbs in Bristol, I think it's obvious they are not affected nearly as much as N/A cars are by weather/elevation.

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Actually, the supercharged cars were running at 3600 pounds at Bristol. The weights revised after Houston to the following:

Effective on April 11, 2012, the new weight restrictions are:

3150 lbs: All vehicles using a naturally-aspirated V8 engine under 400 cubic inches
(Change: 100 pounds removed)
3250 lbs: All vehicles using a naturally-aspirated V8 engine over 399 cubic inches
(Change: New classification)
3350 lbs: All vehicles using a naturally-aspirated engine with more than eight cylinders
(Change: 50 pounds removed)
3600 lbs: All vehicles using a supercharged or turbocharged engine
(Change: 50 pounds added)

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If I could afford a 5 speed manual conversion - I would use the money to get there with my 2 speed

We would not be uncompetetive but I guess the age old money issue will keep us from finding out just how competivite our V10 would be

We have a few tricks up our sleeve which we will not unveil until Somona - after the HP hit in July

Ron

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If this is just a special eliminator for Indy with adjusted cars from select classes why do they need an index -its flat out- and how can cars get light and then correct weight for full stock eliminator without major rule bending or seperate rules for the special eliminator

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Paul , your car wont fit into this class . Your car is super stock only with the 4L blower

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This is great. But, is there a purse and contingency similar to other class winners at Indy. Or does the winner get a trophy and handshake?

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A "Laurel and hardy handshake"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuHKWzWtBzM

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What I am wondering is, like someone else questioned. How can a car that is AA or AAA all of a sudden have to add a ton of weight and be legal doing it? Not to mention, as a competitor, how do you set up your car to run in its class and then add 4 or 5 hundred pounds and make the car still work?
I like the concept of the shootout, just do not see how anything is fair by adding weight and in turn change the whole set up of the car.
Chuck

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Bo thought they were running the blower mustangs and COPOs at Indy heads up?

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Small blower Paul, for COPO and CJ.

Sam Tufano

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Should be fun to watch at Indy can't wait!