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Joseph Teuton 07-18-2012 11:01 PM

Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Just was wondering what my fellow racers were thinking about this topic. Should the V10 DragPak get the 3speed trany that we have been asking for?? I would like to know what other racer think about this.

Jeff Jewell 07-18-2012 11:04 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Only if all the GM glide only cars in stock get one too...

Jeff Jewell

rocknrolla 07-18-2012 11:05 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Yes! 3 speed, 6 speed, 10 speed, what ever you need...

Joseph Teuton 07-18-2012 11:09 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Jewell (Post 336088)
Only if all the GM glide only cars in stock get one too...

Jeff Jewell

I am fine with that!! You are preeching to the choir on that one buddy!

Peter Ash 07-18-2012 11:22 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Three speed and a Super Charger!

GUMP 07-19-2012 12:27 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Jewell (Post 336088)
Only if all the GM glide only cars in stock get one too...

Jeff Jewell

They do. I have it in writing from both GM and the NHRA.

283nova 07-19-2012 12:52 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
eaton/fuller 13 speed:D

hemidup 07-19-2012 02:10 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Ash (Post 336096)
Three speed and a Super Charger!

Since Mopar doesn't have a supercharged car like the current Ford's and Chevy's....Maybe Ma Mopar should submit adding laughing gas to NHRA for Stock Eliminator. :D

Jeff Jewell 07-19-2012 07:39 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 336105)
They do. I have it in writing from both GM and the NHRA.

When did that happen? I know 3 speeds are allowed in glide cars SS, but I was not aware of a change to Stock.

Jeff Jewell

Jack Matyas 07-19-2012 07:40 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Jewell (Post 336088)
Only if all the GM glide only cars in stock get one too...

Jeff Jewell

I think Jeff is talking ALL glide cars - like from 1955 on up ............

Mike Fuller 07-19-2012 08:09 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 336105)
They do. I have it in writing from both GM and the NHRA.

Carrol Shelby verified it just before he passed.

dennis dunlap 07-19-2012 08:38 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Hey Jeff , Go for it ,,, But if your gonna ask see if they will go for a Road Ranger 10 speed , Remember its like selling cars you can always go down you on the price its hard to go up and get one sold !!!!!!

lstanford 07-19-2012 09:05 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JOSEPHTEUTON (Post 336086)
Just was wondering what my fellow racers were thinking about this topic. Should the V10 DragPak get the 3speed trany that we have been asking for?? I would like to know what other racer think about this.

Why not just put the Cobra Jet powertrain in your Fiat?

Pentastar340 07-19-2012 10:09 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
YES!!! This is just one more time that NHRA (Chevy) has put their foot on Mopar to keep them down because they (Chevy) just cannot keep up! Ford has no problem because they play smart!
Leonard Johnson
DragPak#106

Ed Wright 07-19-2012 10:28 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
That has to be one of the dumbest things I ever read.

Alan Roehrich 07-19-2012 10:57 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pentastar340 (Post 336147)
YES!!! This is just one more time that NHRA (Chevy) has put their foot on Mopar to keep them down because they (Chevy) just cannot keep up! Ford has no problem because they play smart!
Leonard Johnson
DragPak#106

Yes, because Chevrolet forced Chrysler to submit the V-10 with a PowerGlide.

Someone is huffing paint, solvent, or gasoline.

Joseph Teuton 07-19-2012 11:03 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FECARMAN (Post 336129)
Why not just put the Cobra Jet powertrain in your Fiat?

Well for starters I would not put a cobra jet powertrain in an enemy's car much less anything that i drive!

Joseph Teuton 07-19-2012 11:09 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 336158)
Yes, because Chevrolet forced Chrysler to submit the V-10 with a PowerGlide.

Someone is huffing paint, solvent, or gasoline.

Mr. Alan how did Chevy force us to come out with V10's when our cars have been out for umm at least a year before one of them has been seen? Just asking? And I'm guessing that once the Ford was submitted with a powerglide and NO other transmittion is the reasoning behind our powerglide. Also, I believe it was Mopar getting turned down for a super charged car that "forced" us to come out with the V10.
Just saying.....

I know, Im ready for the beating so bring it on......LMAO

Alan Roehrich 07-19-2012 11:11 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JOSEPHTEUTON (Post 336086)
Just was wondering what my fellow racers were thinking about this topic. Should the V10 DragPak get the 3speed trany that we have been asking for?? I would like to know what other racer think about this.

Sure.


So long as they carry an extra 30HP.

442OLDS 07-19-2012 11:18 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JOSEPHTEUTON (Post 336086)
Just was wondering what my fellow racers were thinking about this topic. Should the V10 DragPak get the 3speed trany that we have been asking for?? I would like to know what other racer think about this.

How about Edelbrock heads for the Olds 455???

Alan Roehrich 07-19-2012 11:22 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JOSEPHTEUTON (Post 336162)
Mr. Alan how did Chevy force us to come out with V10's when our cars have been out for umm at least a year before one of them has been seen? Just asking? And I'm guessing that once the Ford was submitted with a powerglide and NO other transmittion is the reasoning behind our powerglide. Also, I believe it was Mopar getting turned down for a super charged car that "forced" us to come out with the V10.
Just saying.....

I know, Im ready for the beating so bring it on......LMAO

Joe. That post was not a response to you.

If you want to know how Chevrolet forced Mopar to submit the V-10 with a PowerGlide, I suggest you ask "Pentastar340", AKA Leonard Johnson, who apparently owns "Drag Pack #106". He is the one who is making that absurd claim.

The best guess is maybe the guys at Chrysler figured the V-10 could make enough torque and HP to pull a PowerGlide, and they wanted a good strong lightweight 2 speed.

Hey, maybe NHRA will let you have a TH 350! It fits right in where a PowerGlide does, all you need is to get someone to make you a case with the bellhousing for a V-10.

Funny how a guy with a 283 in a 67 Chevelle can go fast enough with a PowerGlide to set a record, but guys with a 512 V-10 can't make a PowerGlide run for them. Go figure.

Joseph Teuton 07-19-2012 11:41 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
I guess some people need to read their post before they submit it. Its kind of funny when you read a post but yet you have no clue what they race or have ever seen them at the track.


We do have a couple of 3 speeds that already fit and we have tested. Its up to NHRA to legalize it.

On not being able to make a powerglide run for us...well we did go 9.26 already with it. Its not that we cant get it to run for us, we just want what everyone else gets....a 3 speed.

I dont believe a mustang has been sold from Ford with a 3 speed yet. I know they are in the development stages of it but as far as I know none have been sold with one yet. So that is why we are asking for one.

D.Johns 07-19-2012 12:27 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Only the Super Stock only SCJ 4.0l whipple 5.4s were sold with the 2-speed. All the other autos where 3 speed C4s prepared by Joel's on Joy on the stock eliminator cars(08-13) if I remember correctly.

Besides real cars have 3 pedals ;) lol.

rocknrolla 07-19-2012 12:37 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Joseph,

If you get NHRA to approve the 3speed for the V10 DragPack will you guys compete in the Factory Showdown at Indy?

Jeff Teuton 07-19-2012 12:46 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
All the Chevy's will have Glides, but the paperwork says a 3 speed option. Our ammended paperwork says the same. Part of the deal on 000 was to develop a 3 speed which we have. Dave Thomas developed the aftermarket 3 speed. We have a T/Flite 727. Fords got them already. Anyway NHRA is considering the thing now. And yes we would be in the shootout. We have run a best of 9.29 in the No Problem heat and another 9.26 with the other car, but we could not duplicate it. Got to low .30's. I don't think that will get in the Big Show. Last year we ran 9.47 fastest in Indy with a two speed. We have not touched the motors. 000 has over 300 runs that we know of.

C and W Racing 07-19-2012 12:48 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rocknrolla (Post 336179)
Joseph,

If you get NHRA to approve the 3speed for the V10 DragPack will you guys compete in the Factory Showdown at Indy?

I don't know why they don't race in it now. They said they have been 9.26. The cobra jets haven't been that fast weighing 3675 lbs. Everyone cries over the Cobra jets having been in the 8.90's, but those cars are going to have to add 3 to 4 hundred pounds to race in this shoot out. Not only is that 3 to 4 tenths in performance, it changes the whole set up of the car as well, so what will that cost them in performance?
Chuck

Joseph Teuton 07-19-2012 12:50 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Mr Johns you are wrong. None of the SC mustangs were sold with a 3 speed. As a matter of fact to this day still none have been sold (maybe the 2013). They have all be converted to compete with a 3 speed but all come from Ford with a 2 speed.

Yes, Im pretty sure we would have at least one if not 2 DragPaks at the Showdown! We might not have the biggest gun at the fight but we surely would not just have a knife!

C and W Racing 07-19-2012 12:53 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 336181)
All the Chevy's will have Glides, but the paperwork says a 3 speed option. Our ammended paperwork says the same. Part of the deal on 000 was to develop a 3 speed which we have. Dave Thomas developed the aftermarket 3 speed. We have a T/Flite 727. Fords got them already. Anyway NHRA is considering the thing now. And yes we would be in the shootout. We have run a best of 9.29 in the No Problem heat and another 9.26 with the other car, but we could not duplicate it. Got to low .30's. I don't think that will get in the Big Show. Last year we ran 9.47 fastest in Indy with a two speed. We have not touched the motors. 000 has over 300 runs that we know of.

That is the same thing I am saying, I think with the added weight on the cobra jet, I think it will become a 9.30 to 9.40 car, and I am talking about the fastest ones, I don't think that will get them into the big show either. I don't see the reason many will change their cars just to race in the shoot out, knowing they may not qualify for the big show. The index should have been in the 10.20 to 10.30 range.
Chuck

Joseph Teuton 07-19-2012 12:55 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by C and W Racing (Post 336182)
I don't know why they don't race in it now. They said they have been 9.26. The cobra jets haven't been that fast weighing 3675 lbs. Everyone cries over the Cobra jets having been in the 8.90's, but those cars are going to have to add 3 to 4 hundred pounds to race in this shoot out. Not only is that 3 to 4 tenths in performance, it changes the whole set up of the car as well, so what will that cost them in performance?
Chuck

You are correct, we did go 9.26 but that was great air and only once. Also the mustangs have went that fast in BB/SA or it might have been CC/SA at the Gators this year. He went 9.24 as a matter of fact. I believe yall all know the Tetuon's, we are NOT scared of a fight if we have the slightest chance and some times we dont even need that. We love to race but come on now, superchargers make their own air and we all know this.

I wouldnt count us out no matter what, we have been known to do crazy things!

C and W Racing 07-19-2012 01:10 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JOSEPHTEUTON (Post 336185)
You are correct, we did go 9.26 but that was great air and only once. Also the mustangs have went that fast in BB/SA or it might have been CC/SA at the Gators this year. He went 9.24 as a matter of fact. I believe yall all know the Tetuon's, we are NOT scared of a fight if we have the slightest chance and some times we dont even need that. We love to race but come on now, superchargers make their own air and we all know this.

I wouldnt count us out no matter what, we have been known to do crazy things!

That was in great air as well, on a track that was working very well also. These cobra jets aren't top fuel and funny car, they don't get to change pullys, etc to make up for bad air. Conditions impact these cars more than you think. Also, like I said, these cars are going to have to add a lot of weight as well. No one ever figures that you guys are scared of a fight, your cajuns? right. lol. I'm just saying that this shootout is not a true measure of any of these cars performance. NHRA is trying to even the playing field, but at the same time put an index that will prevent racers from qualifing for the main race.
Chuck

BlueOval Ralph 07-19-2012 01:11 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
and a MANUAL!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 336181)
All the Chevy's will have Glides, but the paperwork says a 3 speed option. Our ammended paperwork says the same. Part of the deal on 000 was to develop a 3 speed which we have. Dave Thomas developed the aftermarket 3 speed. We have a T/Flite 727. Fords got them already. Anyway NHRA is considering the thing now. And yes we would be in the shootout. We have run a best of 9.29 in the No Problem heat and another 9.26 with the other car, but we could not duplicate it. Got to low .30's. I don't think that will get in the Big Show. Last year we ran 9.47 fastest in Indy with a two speed. We have not touched the motors. 000 has over 300 runs that we know of.


Joseph Teuton 07-19-2012 01:28 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
The cobra jets haven't been that fast weighing 3675 lbs. Quote C and W Racing.


I understand that was in great air but they can run that fast is all i was saying.

PB Candies 07-19-2012 02:40 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Joey, Sorry to tell you but yes the Ford's do come with a 3 speed from Ford. Ours did!
PB

Joseph Teuton 07-19-2012 03:32 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Ok cool, thats good to know. I wasnt aware that the did. I was told that it wasnt till the new 400 trans was developed that they superseeded the old powerglide from 2008 and new. Thanks for the info update.

How have yall been? Are yall going to play in the showdown at Indy?

H Hoover 07-20-2012 09:45 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PB Candies (Post 336205)
Joey, Sorry to tell you but yes the Ford's do come with a 3 speed from Ford. Ours did!
PB

In the 2012 Cobra Jet manual they call out the 3 speed on the smaller blower engines. I don't know how many were made but it was standard for that combination.

Andrew Hill 07-20-2012 02:59 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 336181)
We have not touched the motors. 000 has over 300 runs that we know of.

Well there's your problem right there!

Btw, if you guys need another gear so bad, just go ahead and put a 5 speed in it! We all know you've got a pretty good stick driver!

Mark Yacavone 07-20-2012 04:40 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
No offense directed at the Teuton clan , but this thread shows how bogus this whole deal is.

If the car was a real Stocker to begin with ,it would already have a 4 speed automatic in it from the factory.

GUMP 07-20-2012 07:58 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 336351)
If the car was a real Stocker to begin with ,it would already have a 4 speed automatic in it from the factory.

Which you would then have to remove and replace with a three speed automatic!

RULER 07-20-2012 11:21 PM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Just think how fast it could be if the engine was removed and sent to a Quality stock eliminator builder, if that happened it may not like the 3 speed, but we will never know because there needs to be a reason------

Joseph Teuton 07-21-2012 12:39 AM

Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RULER (Post 336400)
Just think how fast it could be if the engine was removed and sent to a Quality stock eliminator builder, if that happened it may not like the 3 speed, but we will never know because there needs to be a reason------

What exactly are you implying?


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