Pro stock NHRA unwanted child at the U.S Nationals
Just finish looking at NHRA's schedule for the U.S. National and couldn't help notice that Pro stock didn't even get second billings to John Force Travelling Clown show, Pro Mod got better billing, can't be an oversite, more like a push aside from NHRA! Not even a mention! Claude
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Not trying to be an ***** but the schedule I see at their website has PS car and bike listed daily and even the round schedule for Sunday.... Yes, its behind the "Nitro" classes but what's new about that?
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Pro Stock?
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Guys,
There is a reason why Dan has no interest in Pro Stock, and he is not alone. The class is antiquated and needs to reflect current production cars. The Pro Stocks are not even close to what a production car looks like. Do you guys realize that the rules for the engine have not changed since 1982. The reason that the Nitro cars have most of the TV time is because when Pro Stock comes on the ratings drop significantly. Don't get me wrong, for what these guys have to work with they do an amazing job, along with being very competitive. There are really only 2 engines that compete with each other, The Ford is just a Chrysler clone. I would love to see unaltered factory bodies with today's factory engines. I think the fan appeal would go way up if they were using the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger with the engines they come with. If us s/ss guys can get these cars running as fast as we do, can you imagine how fast they would go with the kind of r&d and money that they spend now. I would also bet that the factories would get heavily involved also. I'm with Dan, I have lost interest. |
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Boy drag racers are a fickle group lol.
One group wants change and another hates it. It's just a personality thing. |
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Although many want to see Pro Stock take a step back to get closer to OEM, it would be a costly transition. All of the current development would have to be shelved and parity would take a back seat for a year or so. All of the bodies are different, new chassis would have to be developed, and more money would have to be poured into engine development, not to mention the headache of creating fair engine rules for all of the current engine formats. With the parity that has been achieved today, how could you sell the current teams on making this costly transition? Also, would it be worth the change and would it bring enough new fans to the sport to validate the change? I for one do not know if it would be worth it or if this risk would pay off. We have the OEM Copos, DragPaks, and CJ's out now and I don't know if that even that has helped increase the fan base.
In all honesty, it would be better just to create another class and call it OEM Pro Stock and go from there. |
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I'm with Ken and Dave (and others of similar mind). Main reason I watch PS is because their collective work ethic and what they can run given their restrictions...same reason I love Comp. For that matter watch the Hemi Shootout cars sometimes, the top runners thrash like crazy for every hundredth of a second.
I'm so over the Force/Shumacher nitro show... |
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Adriel,
Excellent points, but if things stay the same there may not be a Pro Stock, what will all of their investment and r&d be worth then. Why do you think there is no factory backing of the so call factory hot rods. Why did Ford insist on running a car in NASCAR that resembled there factory cars for 2013. If people like the way Pro Stocks are now that's fine with me, its just my opinion its not as popular as it could be. As far as the new cars in stock bringing more fans in. I would think that the big three would not invest in programs they feel are not worth the investment. Although some may not like the new stockers, there has been more talk about stock in the last few years in many forms of media than in any years past. There are more competition numbers in Stock than there have ever been. I'm not saying its perfect, but it is something to build on for survival. |
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I hate to say it but there is little excitement for the average fan in Pro-Stock. 99% of the time the cars go straight down the track. Pro-mod is growing every year in popularity. Turbos, superchargers, nitrous, nitromethane. A nice mix of old and new bodies. It's fun to watch.
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Pro Stock may need a marketing change.
Think it would help bring more in Fans to a ProAm or Sportsnam Level Race. My frustration with the Bodies is that they went NASCAR. Despite that I think a bigger draw would be Seperating Professional and Sportsman. Moving Pro Stock to Sportsman. Get back to advertising PRO STOCK has the Headliner !! my 2cents d |
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Pro Stock is a bore and I completely agree with Ken. Rekindle the original spirit of the class, as it was in the 1970s, a true competition of Detroit muscle.
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It seems that PS is stuck in time.
The car makers have not made a carbureted car in 27 years yet EFI is not allowed in PS. (yet) At least NASCAR FINIALLY allowed efi this year. Those PS bodies are ridiculous looking...IMO |
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Wow! I actually agree with Kenny on something! What a concept!
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I'd like to see them go to a stock appearing body and EFI. Leave the other rules untouched. I'm no engineer, but losing the scoop is an aerodynamic gain, the increased frontal area a loss. A push, perhaps? I like the current performance levels.
I can't say it's as exciting as it was for me when Darrell Alderman and WJ were going at it in the 90's, but I still pay attention to the class. I admire the engine builders and their attention to detail. |
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It's hard to promote fan interestin Pro Stock because the fans at a national event,excuse me for saying what I've been saying for quite a while,are not CAR PEOPE.They are thrill seekers.That's why T/F,F/C,Pro Mod are popular.Noise/good possibility of crashing is the name of the game.The P/S cars very rarely get extremely loose.
Time marches on. Just some musings from a retired old drag racer. |
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I really enjoyed reading all the different opinion that we as racers have. Ok, basically I'm in agrement with all of you, love or hate it but I was trying to show that in their advertisement NHRA didn't even bother to show interest in them(pro-stock). I think that the writting is on the wall, pro-stock might be out and pro-mod might be in(good show anyways) but for the average racer in stock&super stock someone should ask themselves a question, "if they(NHRA) can do this to Pro-stock, what have they got in mind for stock,super stock" is NHRA reflecting on how they will be doing business in the future. This is the reason for the though. I would love to see a pro-stock looking like a car that you could actually buy of the showroom but until someone (Factories) forces them no one will change until they're gone the way of the Dodo bird. Thank goodness for all the new Mustangs,Challengers and now Copo Camaros owners breathing new life in Stock eliminator. Thanks you for your diversity and great opinions.Claude Ruel
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Ya, nascar went injection, and their crowd appeal went through the roof. Wait a minute, I see, they lost fans. What's up with that? There is no crowd appeal for leaf bloweres. Sorry.
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I guess I like them all. Pro Stock is still good, but they do have a little lookalike problem similar to Nascar. They just trick. Need a little emotion like the Enders picture thing, or maybe a sustained and often staging battle, or some po boy winnin, some drama like we always got drama, new cars, old cars, leaf blower cars (I like that better than hair dryer) cars nobody made, cars everybody made, cars everyone wishes it was theirs, cars nobody wants, pretty cars, ugly cars, we gottem all. I bet we collectively got more Beer than they got. You gotta like that.
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I think that if you could convince current drivers to commit to slowly moving cars closer to OEM, you could possibly make this happen. One of easiest changes they could make is using the OEM wheelbase for all cars and keep more of the original street equipment in the front clip, and rear(grille, lower lights, rear lights etc) . I don't think the engine rules should be revamped however. Scoops should remain, and once the teams as whole want to change over to EFI, they will do so. I believe that's a change that will happen, just not as soon as what people like.
If its gonna happen, its has to be a slow transition and all teams have to agree with the direction of appearing more like the OEM versions of the car. PS: I like pro stock the way it is, althoughs the bodies leave something to be desired, I admire the competitiveness, the technology, and the drive to find another hundredth over the next guy. Not mention how amazing those 500 cubic inch monsters sound. |
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Prostock lost me with Jenkin's Vega.....Now they look like 70's long nose funnycars..Bring back Lakewood slapper bars, stock bodies, super T10's, and wheelstands......I would rather watch the SS/AH shootout...:D
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My new t -shirt at Indy " Pro-Stock should look like cars not like what comes out of my dogs rear" " or enter your saying here! Maybe NHRA will get the hint(not). Claude
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The fan's shirts should red "Where's John and Courtney?When's that F/C,Pro Mod going to hit the wall.Ah screw ProStock,oh *hit here come them slow,boring fill in cars,time to go to the bathrom and then get a munch and Courtney's/John's autograph.
Of course it would have to be written on the front and back of the shirt. People it ain't 1968 anymore.We are not viable anymore. |
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After watching the class since it started, I think I understand what many of us like and dislike about Pro Stock. Without even realizing it, all the drag race cars have become extremely efficient. With the cars launching low, being aerodynamic, clutchless or virtually automatic, the runs are very repeatable.
This is the problem since modified got axed, it runs into most classes, and is headed into even the wilder classes like outlaw SS and 10 wide racing. The more efficient Comp racing is, also makes it more boring. Look at a fast E/SMA like Travis Gusso drives... compared to Pappy's Pride A/A, Travis looks like a rental car going down the lane. So some of you think EFI will make things wilder? Where is the logic in that? More erratic is more entertaining. Look at the most popular race of the year... the wheelstand contest at Byron. I would much rather watch some showmanship, than a F1 like car with no flaws. So as a small cubic stick racer, I love pro stock because they are reving these 500 inch motors, higher than mouse motored cars. Think about that when you on the top end. Not even PRO MOD runs these kind of crank speeds. I always disliked the Mountain Motor IHRA stuff, no engine speed there. Pro stock still holds my interest, and EFI is just another step on the MORE efficient path. |
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Paul, Super Gas was suppose to be the replacement for Modified Production and allow the little guy to race. What NHRA really did was get rid of a group that was giving them fits and probably when they parked their cars on the grass was their way(NHRA) to remove the boil on their ar%#. Unfortunately, SG,SC, and SST with their timers and throttle stops(again NHRA to control excessive top end braking ) have totally ruined it for any spectators to truly enjoy the class. Ed, I know what you mean but it doesn't mean I have to accept it, look I know no one is steering the ship but I'm still going to try to get to the wheelhouse and slow it down before ramming into the iceberg and hopefully Captain (Compton) Smith won't be in the boats yet! Claude
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If you want an example of efficiency taking away from the show but improving the breed just look at the super stock hemi cars. Yes, they were exciting with their wheelsstands etc. but as they got faster the suspension has evolved or tuned to the point that a good leave has the wheels 1 to 2 ft off the ground or in some cases on the ground. Just watch the record setting runs over the last years. A lot less violence in the leave to the point of being quite smooth.
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Yes finespline, you are correct. Ace chassis man Gary Jennings built some of the most efficient hemi cars ever (warfish cars), and his comp cars were the same quality. Same goes for Eastex, MPR, etc..
I guess we are going to have to love the subtlety of the smooth race car. No problem for me, they say its 10,000 RPM in pro stock right now. I have always liked demo derbies, and within the last 5 years have decided these may be the last real hot rodders... in that they chop, grind, wrench, crunch, and then win or lose based on cave man like skills. Very entertaining, and really I do enjoy pro stock, and there should be many classes I can't afford. I am just a machinist after all. When I go to the big races these days, I watch pro stock, Comp, SS, STK, and sometimes Super Street and the A/FD cars. The Super Comp dragsters are really not my cup of tea, and offer little in the way of entertainment. |
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When the cars in pro stock are unrecognizable you have a problem. Having them become a lot more like production cars would benefit the class and probably get more support from the auto companies.
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