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There was a lot of talk over the off-season regarding the allowance of the older cars in Stock Eliminator ( specifically the 1955-1957 Chevys ) , however , without horsepower help from NHRA , it appears enthusiasm has waned . The only one I am aware of that has run under the index is the beautiful 55 Chevy of Carl Libucha from Massachusetts .
Are there cars out there being built or currently being run that haven't received a lot of coverage ?

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hi brian. is carl currently racing his 55'?

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I have met several people who are interested in the older cars. But, with the HP rating that is allot higher than a recently raced 350 truck, why do it? The new trans rule will help, but it will help the other PG cars just as much. Man NHRA can not think of one idea through from begining to end. I belive Carl Downard sp? Has a O/S 55 out of Washngton State?

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The Hurley family (dad Steve and daughter Shelby) from southern Maryland (not from from the track at Delmar Del) have a P/SA '55 they've ran for a few years, at some IHRA races and my S/SS races. One of the few I can think of.

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Carl was out here in Seattle for the nationals or divisional-can't remeber which- but could only come within about a half second of the index. beautiful 55 chev but the old hp. rating does'nt work so my 57 will remain a street car until nhra pulls their head out from wherever it's at! Carl is from Boise.

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Never mind the Chevies...still waiting for one of those Olds 303 ci combos to show up!

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How about a Ford combo for 1958? I know where a Fairlane 2 door hardtop is sitting under a lean-to. Being a Chevy guy, I'm not up on any particulars from that era,, perhaps a 292 or a 312,,, McCulloch blower?,,, just thinking out loud.
Danny Durham

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They only had the blown engine in '57, Danny. More doors were fast, too; this one was a national record holder. That's Parham and Payne from Skiatook, Oklahoma at the World Finals in Tulsa, 1967. I think it ran mid-13's with a 3-speed Ford-O-Matic.

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I know of a showcase with a set of what may be original J-2 Carbs and manifold at our place.

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Brian Can't wait to see how that car runs with a good metric.

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Thanks for the info, Bill. I remember seeing photos of that '57 Ford in someones online album. It'd be interesting to see how that blown combo would run with todays modern stock eliminator enhancing performed on it.
Danny Durham

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I've seen Downards car, it is beautiful but about a tenth over the O/S index.

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There was a 57 Thunderbird there running C/SA with that same type supercharger setup. I watched him leave the line from an idle and run 13-flat. That was pretty fast in 1967.

I think it was from Ohio.

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Steve and Shelby do race locally at us.13 in Delmar. they live in Hebron, MD. just a few miles away. his is asuper stock, her car was trying to run stock but needs the hp help. so they ran the dutch (both cars) as super stocks...

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Another Olds oldie...

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...42Mike/623.jpg

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Great job as usual, HM! Check out the last-minute body work being performed on
the 2nd car in line. Notice the tool....

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WTF i'm still racing my "older stocker" ?????????

captain

by the way i'd like to have the 66 poncho wagon next to that t-bird !!!

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My favorite old "Olds":
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4918/jackmullins.jpg

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A few wagons in the staging lanes...

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...ck53/stage.jpg

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Jack won the $800. at Bowling Green back in the early 70s .That would be like winning 8K now!!

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You said it . What about the National Event pay-out ?

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Based on inflation:

$800 of 1970 dollars would be worth: $4,733.73 in 2012

$800 of 2012 dollars would be worth $135.20 in 1970

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An overlooked combo from 1958 is the 332" 265 HP FE. Great cylinder head with machined chambers and high compression, good carb, good rod length/angularity. No blower cars in 1958..

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Danny, after 57, there were no more 312s, and the 292s were all 2 barrels. As for the 332 cube FE, I doubt that would be very good, considering a 1964 352 has 20 more cubes, and is rated at 15 HP less (250HP). I think Ford rated their engine HP numbers way to high for most of their cars in the old days, at least until the 428 Cobra Jet came out in 68, at 335HP (10 HP LESS than the small valve, cam, carb 428 big car engine.)

P.S., I own an origional 1959 Ford 2 door sedan with a 332 and 2 speed auto, building a Stocker out of it was never a consideration!

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Thanks for the education on the old Fords, guys. I found out a couple weeks ago that they got the 'ol Fairlane fired up and its going to get cleaned up, a little upholstery work, brakes redone with new tires and a tune up and will become the Great-Grandson's first car,, in a couple years. Its actually a decent looking piece,, the tail lights are intact, and the brass side trim is fine also. Being in central Oregon has been good to it,, along with some other cars of the Great Grandpas' still around the property. The 'ol guy is a lifelong Ford fan and is driving a Shelby GT 500 (late model) well into his 80s. I always get some great stories from him whenever I get a chance to see him.
Danny Durham

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GREAT PICTURE! Is that Dempsey Hardy's Crock-a-gator Studebaker??

Lew

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Lew, now that's a name I haven't heard or seen him since the early 70's....What ever happen to Dempsey? frank

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Frank,

During my miss-spent youth in Fort Lauderdale, I worked for some time as a "gofer" for a guy who ran an old Willie Rells-built Pro Stock Firebird. Of what little I remember of that experience, I think Dempsey was a consultant on the project, at least at the beginning. He was definitely a legend in that part of South Florida, but it's been a long time since I've seen or heard from him.

Lew

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Lew, I'm not sure it's hard to tell, there were several guys that used those old Studebaker's back then, here's another one...

http://www.hotrodhotline.com/sites/d...7Nationals.jpg

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Frank and Lew,

Dempsey drove my uncle's Pro stocker in the late 80's early 90's Jeff Velde. My uncle told me a couple years ago that Dempsey had a car lot in south Florida and had passed away. Probably about 7 or 8 years ago.




Bret Velde

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Passed away several years ago, could be as much as 10 years may be off alittle but it's been awhile.

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A few more old stockers on the return road...

http://i47.tinypic.com/33y3qfl.jpg

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Man ,is this thread getting off track.

It's supposed to be about older Stockers being run or built..today

Don't get me wrong..I like nostalgia as much as the next guy...

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Just a little info here, no one replied to this thread in over a month and it was 10 pages back when I brought it back up...I was just trying to inject some life back into this thread...perhaps someone could post some early cars for sale ads off some websites to get the juices flowin' again, then maybe someone will talk about any 'new' old stockers that their building...just sayin'.

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Unless you have built/bought a DP, CJ or Copo you're building an "Older Stocker". Some are just "Older" than others.

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Very well said, Billy!:D

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...perhaps I should have said 'antique stockers' then.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...scolor_jpg.jpg