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Tom keedle 09-23-2012 09:34 AM

fuel line question
 
1st off, i HATE braided steel lines, my finger still hurt from the last time i messed with the stuff...what're my options?

#2, should i run hard line from the f/p to the regulator or just run a length of "approved" hose for everything?

Billy Nees 09-23-2012 09:39 AM

Re: fuel line question
 
Well, everybody will tell you that the "hot lick" is returning the fuel to keep it cooler by keeping it circulating. That being said, it would seem reasonable to assume that hard aluminium line would keep it cooler and denser than teflon lined braided line.

Tom keedle 09-23-2012 07:34 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 348121)
Well, everybody will tell you that the "hot lick" is returning the fuel to keep it cooler by keeping it circulating. That being said, it would seem reasonable to assume that hard aluminium line would keep it cooler and denser than teflon lined braided line.

well, there's a reason the factory used a return line on a/c cars so i don't mind that (esp. at this altitude) but what's a good choice for the line (besides the steel braided stuff)?

gmonde 09-23-2012 08:17 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
if you are going to use the aluminum line ,you need to route it where it cant be exposed to anything that might come apart ,,, (drive shaft,jacking the car up ,ground clearance ,etc) that stuff is real soft ,,,,braided is a pain to do and it cost more but it wont breach like aluminum line if something went bad gmonde

Jim Wahl 09-23-2012 08:38 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
The new approved braided nylon lines are lighter and very easy to work with. I just did the whole race car with it last week. Jim

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David Lee 09-23-2012 10:12 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
Jim can you tell me what you used? I am ready to run from the fuel cell up the regulator

Chris DeGidio 09-23-2012 10:42 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
I re-plumbed my car early this year.I used steel line and bent it myself.I used it from the pump to the regulator,then used push lok hose from regulator to carb.

The steel line I got a great deal on Ebay,a 25 ft coil.

greg fulk 09-23-2012 11:35 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
The "twist-loc" rubber line is very easy to use! Put hose in pan of boiling water & push AN fitting on the line..your done! ;)

Jim Wahl 09-23-2012 11:47 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Lee (Post 348253)
Jim can you tell me what you used? I am ready to run from the fuel cell up the regulator

I used the Aeroquip braided nylon line that is NHRA and IHRA approved. It's very easy to cut and it is much more pliable and it weighs less. A little more expensive but well worth it I think. I think Jegs and Summit sell it. Most speed shops have it now. Jim


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Rory McNeil 09-24-2012 12:18 AM

Re: fuel line question
 
I`ve had good service with the aluminum Moroso 1/2" fuel tubing. I still have the same tubing in my bracket car that I installed back in 1987, never had a problem with it. I did secure it with rubber lined Adel clamps every 10-12 inches. Its lightweight, cheap, easy to bend, and your fingers won`t bleed like they do with the braided stainless steel stuff. As for plumbing the pumps, a return system may be considered "better", but both my bracket car and my Stocker use "deadhead" (non return) Holley blue pumps, the pump in the Stocker has been in for 10 years, the bracket car 25 years(!), and they are still working fine.

Tom keedle 09-24-2012 05:35 AM

Re: fuel line question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Lee (Post 348253)
Jim can you tell me what you used? I am ready to run from the fuel cell up the regulator

i'd like to know,too.
that's the kinda stuff i was looking at but i don't know anybody that's used it

Billy Nees 09-24-2012 08:08 AM

Re: fuel line question
 
Tom, use Moroso aluminium line.

Signman 09-24-2012 10:48 AM

Re: fuel line question
 
Have aluminum line in both of my cars.
Earls makes aluminum line that can handle higher pressure.
Carefully route it and support it well with rubber covered P-Clips.
Terminate it correctly.
Slip heat reflective cover over it.
Will last a long time especially if the floor does not have a lot of flex.

The ID of the 1/2 inch aluminum tubing is larger than that of the generic AN-8.

My .02

Jim Wahl 09-24-2012 11:41 AM

Re: fuel line question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom keedle (Post 348290)
i'd like to know,too.
that's the kinda stuff i was looking at but i don't know anybody that's used it

Now you do Tom! I've seen several Stockers with it. In a full cage car I think the solid lines are fine but I would think in a Stocker or a car with some flex in it braided steel or the new braided nylon would be smarter. I ran the Moroso aluminum line in my SS car for many years with no problems. Just my opinion. Jim

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Jim Wahl 09-24-2012 11:54 AM

Re: fuel line question
 
I don't want to change the subject here but someone brought up the Holley Blue pumps. I ran two of them back in the day on my SS car for years with no problems. When I got the Volare' it had a Holley Blue pump on it and at the first race it seized up and I put a new one on it which started leaking at the second race I went to. I replaced that one with another and it started leaking two races later. I since have replaced the Holley with an Aeromotive pump that, other than being very loud, has been flawless. I have run over 118 at "H" weight several times with it so I think it is providing plenty of fuel. I have a MagnaFuel pump waiting just in case. My point with this is that the good 'ol Holley pump "ain't what it used to be" in my opinion. Once again, just my experience and opinion! Jim

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Stock726 09-24-2012 04:36 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
Agree with that. Holley quality control is not as good as it used to be.
Heck, Bary Grant used to make good components back in the day; now it's just junk. Don't you just love outsourcing???

Tom keedle 09-24-2012 07:08 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
i'll be running K,L, or M /stick and i was looking at the braided nylon but as there's so many different mfgrs, who's do i use and who's do i stay away from?

Ed Fernandez 09-24-2012 08:24 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom keedle (Post 348460)
i'll be running K,L, or M /stick and i was looking at the braided nylon but as there's so many different mfgrs, who's do i use and who's do i stay away from?

Tom just go down to the nearest AMC dealer and order the factory line.That'll do it.

Ed

Tom keedle 09-24-2012 08:40 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 348473)
Tom just go down to the nearest AMC dealer and order the factory line.That'll do it.

Ed

i did but they're backordered...;)

Jim Wahl 09-24-2012 09:31 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom keedle (Post 348460)
i'll be running K,L, or M /stick and i was looking at the braided nylon but as there's so many different mfgrs, who's do i use and who's do i stay away from?

Tom, here is the NHRA accepted list. As you can see both Jegs and Summit have accepted lines.

Highlighted items designate recently added since last revision
Manufacturer
Hose Description
Notes

Aeroquip
FC300
Black heavy hydraulic

Aeroquip
FC332
Blue

Aeroquip
FC598
Same as F332 but black

Aeroquip
Star Lite 200

AQP
Socketless

BMRS
Polyester Braid

BMRS
HTP Braid

Dayco Imperial

Nelo-Seal Tubing

Earls
Pro-Lite 350

Earls
Super Stock

Earls
Ultra Flex 650

Earls

Diamond Lite

Fragola Performance System
Series 8000 Push Lite

Fragola Performance System
Pro Crimp I

Fragola Performance System
Series 8600 Parker Push Lock

Gates
LOL Plus

Goodridge
536

Goodridge
710

Goodridge
910

Russell (Parker)
Pro Classic

Russell (Parker)
Twist Lock

XRP
XR-31

XRP
HS-79

XRP
Push On
Blue or black

Jegs
Pro Flow 350

Summit Racing
Twist Tite

Precision Performance
Flex Loc

Lew Silverman 09-24-2012 10:39 PM

Re: fuel line question
 
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For those that still use the braided steel line, I've found a tool that literally makes installing hose ends a snap!

http://www.koultools.com/

No cuts from the hose ends and very neat installation.

Lew

Jim Wahl 09-25-2012 12:30 AM

Re: fuel line question
 
Very cool tool Lew! Thanks for the tip. Wish I had it last week! I gotta get one. Jim


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