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I sure am glad I put a stick in mine. I look for more to do this now.

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shhhhhh :)

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That stick is starting to look attractive even to me ..........

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Hey Jack, we have a spare 5 speed!

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Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking. Maybe I could loan the Mattingly's my jerico so they can get the stick combo where it needs to be too:D

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I think there is a bigger concern here. Did the racer in question get torn down? I believe, whether it be in STK or SS that any run over 1 second under should have the racer do at least a minimal teardown(ie.head, carb, pump down, scope, ect...); however a run that will get the entire combination, which by the way if you look at how many people have this specific one ther is probably millions vested, should be completely torndown(ie. Crank, rods, pistons, heads, etc...). If they don't have time during the race, seal the motor and teardown Monday. Not saying in this case that the motor is not legal; however if a hundred racers on Monday now have to add 100lbs or move one index down to compensate, I think they would like to know it was legit!

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The car was torn down and was legal.Travis checked it ..

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Thanks Rich - But if I take you up on your offer I'm also going to have to borrow a driver as my 5 speed days are over ...........

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Don't worry Jack. I'll figure out how to shift it...

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Bring them on!!!!

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What it torn down to the crank? We have torn down to the crank...rods...pistons...and heads. That's a tear down.

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Although I can understand the frustration from all the older combos I dont think any of these cars will stand a chance when they go up against these new cars coming no matter where' A,B.C etc! Now instead of being 3tenths behind they will be 4 to 5 behind.

I had considered calling Kevin for possible purchase of his car then I slapped myself and said why do I want to jump back into this madness!! But if I did Kevin's car would be the one I would go after.

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Let's be clear way over !!!!

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That same 5 speed will fit in your truck if ..................

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lol ! ! !

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Did this race do fuel check thru the entire class elim race??

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I think yall all need manual shifts. Come on over. It's real easy. I don't think one can really understand heartbreak, frustration, and rejection until you get another pedal.

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Or you can put your motor in a Corvette or GTO and lose 42 hp.

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OR say screw this madness and play golf!

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And Kenny made it look easy.

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Greg - I've got an extra motor if you think that move is cheap ............or even easy .Ask anyone who has done it ........opps , there are only a few .

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I'm ready to build another one like Jack's .
just bring $$$.

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I didn't say it was cheap, only that it was a 42hp reduction in the Corvette or GTO.

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hp should be the same in all cars with that combo unless it is a waggon or a stick.that is how it used to be.just saying!

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1978 & 1978 350 malibu wagon got hp, twice, once with camaro & corvette and the next time with the camaro, but the corvette stayed the same, I don`t think there a malibu wagon that runs .50 under with 350. I would think the corvette, gto, firebird & camaro should all be the same hp. Tom

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I could help you get started as well.

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The 70's and 80's are over, a clutch car is not as a disadvantage as it once was. Your man Kevin should prove that. Just a lot of work, lol

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That's stupid, a Corvette has no advantage over an 04 GTO? Or an earlier nova that would the same engine ?

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It was when Farmer was taking care of it. LOL

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I don't know if that is what they are saying, but it is what I would say. I have seen some drag coefficient studies comparing these firebirds to corvettes to 69 camaro's to older mustangs and until you got above 135mph you didnt see any advantage! I would think a Nova would be real close to this also??

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If its the same platform then yes Camaro/Firebird, Mustang/Capri (for the years they made them) but if the platform is different for example wheelbase then no. I race a 69 Cobra with a 117" wb with a 428CJ. A Mustang with the same motor combo but shorter wb and physically smaller and more aerodynamic shouldn't effect my car even tho its the same engine.

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So, you think the engine's HP should be altered to fit the car?

Like, if you choose to build the wrong car for it, you should get a gift to make your wrong choice more competitive?

If a given engine is under rated in one car, it's under rated in any other. I'm certainly with Sammy here.

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thanks ED. it just does not make any sense for a corvette to be 45 hp less than a firebird or a camaro.is a firebird or a camaro better than a corvette.i don't think so!

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So if you don't think the HP should be different depending on the the platform, should the HP for a given engine be the same for SS and GT? The GT car is just a different platform. If they should be the same, no need to have GT, just move them into the same lb/hp class. At least have same HP and index since the "platform" was the reason for the lower indexes in GT.
I agree there are some bad factors like the vette Sammy mentioned, but I still think platform is important to consider. Your as old as I am and likely remember the stink when NHRA decided to put the vettes in SS and do away with SP classes.
Or does the platform arguement only hold in stock?

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Ed,
By your view point everyone would be racing a new Mustang or Camaro/Firebird like you have. Short wb with the engine set back under the windshield, aerodynamic etc..... Sorry but that would not interest me in the least. There is no challenge there. If you really believe that a 65 Impala with a 283 should get hp if a 65 Chevy II made a good run then this will be my last post in this thread. Also, I don't believe I'm building the "WRONG" car. I'm building a car that has a history in Stock Eliminator and has been in my family longer than I have. I know its going to be a challenge to get to run with the top guys in the class but it will be very rewarding once I do. Just so you know I put an order in for a new '13 Cobra Jet Competition Kit which is the BIW deal but I ended up canceling the order at the last minute because I WANT to see if I can make this car competitive. I know a new Cobra Jet is competitive right out of the box but to me that's not as challenging as making this old car competitive. So I hope you will reevaluate your view point of me building the wrong car.

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Stewart, most of the GT cars are drastically different. The GT Camaro/Firebirds aren't, but they are no longer the "hot set up". Many of those newer cars aren't actually built by the rule book. Look how many drivers can't even reach the dash, how many heads behind the B piller (rule book says they can't be), etc. Those are just Comp cars with no hood scoop. I don't, thankfully, have to race them heads up. I do think those should be rated differently. The conventional RWD platforms, I do not. It would be a mess to factor the jelly bean FWD conversions differently than other GT cars, and it's becoming all jelly beans in GT anyway. I really do think they are cool, just don't want to race them heads up. I sure would not build a Camaro/Firebird GT car and expect to run up front. If you do, congrats.

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Ed
Have to agree with most everything you said. I was mostly against GT when it came out in 84 or around then. Then when they allowed the FWD cars in 3-4 years later that really hurt.
Not building a camaro/fbird but do have a 68 Cuda on the rack for GT but between moving and now owning 2 houses and a ticker problem the Cuda sits and waits. Good thing about it I can run GT or SS with several motors.
Still feel the platform needs to be in the AHFS so the folks that "picked the wrong" car are not pushed out. The vette just points out one of the problems with the AHFS and is not proof the platform distinction needs to be done away with.
Again, the above is but 1 mans opinion.