69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it?
 

Went to the hub city this weekend. When I stopped by my favorite upholstery shop, I found this:
1969 Camaro Z-28, 302, Cross Ram, 4 speed, factory radio delete, and more.
Has name plate "Berger" on rear panel.

Was told that there were only "5" of these cars made. Truth?
What's the value? Was told 6 figures.....

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The '69 Z28 was not that rare. I would guess every one bought for a race car (popular as race cars in '69) was ordered without a radio. If I remember correctly, the cross ram was a "dealer installed" option. Several guys bought that set up to install themselves.

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The cross ram, and headers, were dealer installed options.

The 1969 Camaro was produced for an extended period of time, as the 1970 was actually a 1970 1/2.

That color combination is fairly common, Fathom Green and Dover White.

You could probably research it to find out if it was really sold by Berger Chevrolet, which was a noted high performance Chevrolet dealer that specialized in the performance line. Berger did a fair amount of COPO ordering, as well as doing a lot of dealer installations on that type of part.

I seriously doubt it is a $100K car, unless it has some special heritage. I've seen complete numbers matching RS/Z-28 cars with all the options, including the cross ram, headers, chambered exhaust, and 4 wheel disc brakes, all verified, not bring that even being well restored.

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Not many remember the 69 Camaro was manfactured well into 1970.
Can't remember if tooling for the new Camaro or some kind of strike
delayed the "70 1/2" production.

Sort of like the 82 Corvette. Produced months into 1983.
You want a Barrett-Jackson killer car? Find the "one of one" legitimate 1983 Corvette!!! (yes, that's sarcasam)

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The 70 was delayed because of manufacturing issues at Fisher Body. Back in the day major tooling changes for signicant model year changes were a big challenge for all the car companies and they made the dies like they had to last decades (which they could). Manufacturing of aircraft, cars, etc has changed so much over the years it's amazing.

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In order to get a high dollar you would need the build sheet,(proof of being a Berger car), list of owners, documented miles etc. If everything checks it might not fetch 100k, but it would be close.(80,s). Like they say theres a seat for every azz. gsa612

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Alan,, I know my eyes are getting old,, but that looks like Rally Green to me. I'm thinking Fathom Green was quite a bit darker. I agree with most here that this car isn't really that rare,, even with the crossram. My '69 was a somewhat rare color, Burnished Brown, with an Endura bumper up front,, but it too wasn't rare, just a kick-butt all around fun car. Its the one I was always going to keep, but it was stolen in Jan of '75 and there wasn't enough left of it when the cops found it 7 months later to try bring it back from the dead. However, with todays' aftermarket and parts availability, if it happened now, I'd give it a try.
Danny Durham

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I believe there were more '69 Z-28s than either '67s or '68s. The cross ram is unusual but someone here said that was a factory install; so I guess I would say - the car is not that rare !!

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Where's Z28 Camaroman when you need him?

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It's looks like Rally Green to me. I used to have one just like it. Wish I had it back.

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It could be Rally green, color settings on a monitor, combined with fluorescent lighting can make colors look funny. But it looks just like one I was going to buy and it was Fathom green.

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There are more '69 Z28's being raced and driven that chevy ever built !

JimR

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I can say the same about 1998 LT1s. :eek:

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For sure!! LOL

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They made just over 20,000 69 Z28 camaro's . Crossram intakes and headers could be ordered from the factory but came in the trunk and were dealer installed but not many were ordered that way. They could also be ordered over the parts counter. 4 wheel disc brakes could also be ordered from factory but only a handfull of cars were equiped as such. Cowl induction hoods were not installed or available until January of 69 and were fisrt seen on the Copo 427 cars. It was still a option on Z28s and SS cars after that point but was standard equipment on Copo cars. Quite a few Z28s made prior to May 69 had chambered exhaust but were replaced with regular exhaust as they prone to getting tickets for excessive noise. Many came with radio delete and then had a jobber radio installed at the dealership as they was a better profit margine that way. The after market has flooded the market with reproduction crossrams and chambered exhaust and 4 wheel disc brake setups. All Z28s from 67 to 69 came with 4spds and 12 bolt rear diffs and front power disc brakes. I have a 69 Z28 RS with a
cowl hood and 20000 original miles.

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One of the reasons that the Z/28 was very popular was the insurance factor. There were plenty of 396, 375's around but you couldn't get insurance. Your insurance payments would be more then the cars. I think it was 25 years old got the discounts, so if you were younger then that, got screwed by the insurance companies. The Z/28 came in at less then 10 lbs per advertised HP (290 HP, shipping weight 3218), it flew under the insurance radar. Also, it wasn't a model, it was an option, so it wasn't in the vin number.

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock

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Cowl induction hoods were available in December 1968. They were available after April 1969 on any four-barrel equipped Camaro. Lots of pace car painted replicas were built with 255 hp 350s and the ZL2 hood, but were not SS packaged. The base motor on the SS was the 300hp 350.

Re: 69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it?
 

It had to be an SS to order the cowl hood so it had to be at least a 350/300 to get one. The 350/255 was the largest engine option on a base Camaro. No 350/255s were built with a cowl hood.

Re: 69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it?
 

I agree with earlier posters that it is not real rare, but is desireable. If is indeed rally green it is rarer than the darker fanthom green. I have had many early Z/28s and in todays market, a good 69 Z/28 has value. The crossram did not come in the trunk, as the headers on the 67-8 Z/28, it was ordered over the counter for installation. I had a 68 and a 69 with crossrams, so I have researched the crossram facts fairly well. I also had a first week of April built 69 Z/28 that was ordered in late February and the ZL-2 cowl induction hood was deleted by the factory as unavailable. Many cars are being "built" today, so beware as almost anything is possible.

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Kustom Headers in Flint built the Z-28 headers for 1967 and Hurst Preformance in Madision Hgts package them for the plant.

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Really? Even the one my brother bought new off the lot? I guess that cowl hood was a figment then.

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Also, that verification was settled years ago. Many, many 255hp 350 SS and Stock cars have been built using the ZL2 hood.

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Really! Show me a window sticker or a build sheet otherwise the dealer put it on.
As far as the verification for NHRA Stock and SS please, let's not go there.

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Yep, I had one.