Copo camaro on racing junk
 

Found this on racing junk,
http://www.racingjunk.com/Stock-Supe...t-COPO-45.html

Bob lasko

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Some $150,000.00 cheaper than the other one!

Has #45 been built?

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Number 15 shipped last week, so I don't think they are quite that far along yet. There was a silver body on a rack while I was up there. It will be a good looking COPO. And a rare colour.

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Must not be in too much order as the one "sold" for the fortune was #023.

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Looks like this one's still for sale...what do these things list for.

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$89k, they are all spoken for.

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They must have been too busy building "the last one" #69 for the SEMA show, if 15 just shipped.
...or they can't count.

FJ

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Who cares what order they build them in? I think that some owners are getting impatient and calling/emailing to get their cars built ahead of other guys' cars who aren't in as much of a hurry.

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My point was that they are surely not going to finish the 2012's this year.
So many that put up their money didn't get to receive let alone race their cars in the current year.

And now, they have announced the building of 2013's.

FJ

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Well, you can't fault them for trying. There's a Cobra Jet sitting here in my local showroom for about 4 months now because they want $110k for it. I'd bet they'll finish them before March of next year and immediately start on the '13's. They'll probably increase their workforce as well to get them out quicker.

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Maybe obama motors took the "you didn't build that" to heart and didn't build them? LOL

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Yea, OK.
Supposed to know what they're doing.

If you don't know, 2012's don't count for Manufacturer's Cup points in 2013.

Maybe a poor choice of builders?

FJ

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I have yet to hear a complaint about the "build" of them from an owner, so I don't know what you are basing that on. Sorry they can't pop out 8-second racecars like a Pez dispenser to satisfy haters like you. I'm guessing that the first batch took an extra long time to make sure that everything was done just right, who knows. I'm just happy that the big-3 are all out there at the racetrack.

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Heres another one on ebay.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2012-...item19d68b649d

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Another one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...item3ccc3a8ff3

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Who cares? You would be squealing the loudest if your was not built yet!

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As the latest one on Ebay is number 39 and is already sitting in a dealer showroom, my guess is that they will finish the run this year.

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De.finetly looks like there was not a concerted effort to get the RACE CARS INTO THE HANDS OF THE RACERS.:(

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What makes you say that?

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If anyone actually buys one of those at the prices they are asking, the buyer has to be completely on drugs.
Chuck

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Obviously, you don't know me or my years of involvement with Super Stock and the manufacturers, so comments of a "hater" are simply ridiculous!

I have been involved with and built racecars from all 3 manufacturers, and I too am glad to see them all involved.

I'll take your comments as coming from a keyboard wannabe racer who doesn't understand the sport or comittment and leave it at that.

Any further comments can be addressed to me at my shop -- not hard to find me.

FJ

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Not pointing my finger at you as I know that you are racing yours but as seeing these cars on a few sale sights already ,the people who bought them had no intention but to flip them (@ outrageous prices ). When you are building 69 cars that can be had with 3 engine packages the odds go up of all of them ever seeing the racetrack. Did GM do a good job separating the speculaters from the racers ? I guess we will find out in the spring.

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Not pointing my finger at you as I know you are racing yours , But maybe GM should have filtered the speculaters from the racers in a better way. When you build 69 cars with 3 engine options, The odds go up for all of them getting to the track. Just my thoughts as they are trying to be flipped at outrageous prices.

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It is really hard for a manufacturer to keep cars away from the speculators. I think that Chevrolet has done a very good job of getting the cars to racers. But, they can't do anything once the car leaves their custody. The story on the red car that sold is pretty sad (IMO).

Keep in mind that quite a few people purchased their cars to race outside of Stock and Super Stock too. So don't expect to see them all at NHRA/IHRA/ADRL events.

Also of note is the fact that very few of the Mustangs and Challengers are seeing much action compared to the numbers built.

I am sure that a lot of Chevrolet dealers tried to buy a COPO and were refused!

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You tell'em FJ!

Mike

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Did GM do such a good job separating the speculaters from the racers ? Hard to believe there people already trying to flip them when many people have not even received their yet !

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Gump, whats the story on the red one that sold? I must not have heard it, or because my memory is getting bad, dont remember anything about it.
Chuck

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I think it's basic economics that when something is offered as a "limited edition", some folks will try to make a profit on its resale. Chevrolet obviously didn't require the initial purchaser to sign an agreement not to resell the vehicles, so this is what happens. You may not agree with how it's being done, but it's not illegal, just business as usual. Part of the problem may be the build sequence not being done in numerical order, which must be frustrating to those still waiting for theirs to be completed.

But one thing that was mentioned does make me wonder - why would someone purchase a limited-edition, 1 of 69 (or 68 if you don't count the SEMA Convertible) 2012 COPO and NOT race it in IHRA/NHRA/ADRL Stock and Super Stock? I've been told that some of the cars are being modified to run in other classes instead of where they were originally designed to run. Wouldn't it have been easier to purchase a BIW and build a COPO clone than modify an already assembled race car? Am I not getting the picture here?

Lew

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FJ, you forgot add no-name. LOL

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I won the lotto to get a car #34, order what I thought was the best combo of the bunch (white / 427 ) then decided I did not want the car as I was very happy with what Ford was doing and they did not take the bale out money which I disagreed with giving to GM and Chrysler . I sold it to another racer ( at my cost ) who's dream was to own one .

Car was paid for in full , GM dealer held 90k for 8months interest free , car was to be delivered at the end of June , got it on 10/26 . Gm did not do racers any favors , cars have been delivered out of order , some people and dealers have been given special favors on deliveries and the blower cars wont stay together for more then 3 runs .

Gm required that you sign and agreement stating that they were not responcible for any defects in the cars before you got delivery . Ford , locate a car , pay the dealer , leave with the car. But the guy who purchase my car fulfilled his lifetime dream and thats all its really about . If you want to buy the car on ebay spend your money and enjoy it . Life is to short to sweat the little things .

FJ Smith knows is stuff and has built some of the best Stock & Super Stock ( Ford , GM, Mopar ) cars on the planet , I know I owned one and wish I had never sold it

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Joel is actually a pretty cool dude. He comes to all the LTX Shootouts and has a pretty fast F-Body. He is also pretty good at putting a cold Michelob Ultra in your hand! I would suggest that he is very enthusiastic about the COPOs and doesn't really know the history of many people that post on this forum.

Maybe if we work on him we can convince him to convert that car of his to a Super Stocker!

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I liked the way that GM did things. I was able to take my certificate to my local dealer and offer him the opportunity to make a little extra money. I paid 1% over his cost. I didn't give him one penny down and paid him two weeks before I picked up the car.


Actually they did help some racers out. They did their best to get the first batch of cars ready for those who would be at Indy. It is obvious that I am one of those guys who was actually passed over. I have no issues at all with what they did. Infact I agree with it. I took photos next to number two while I was at the build site. I really doubt that that guy was unhappy either. Everyone should understand the deal with car number 69.


Legal speak. I have personally witnessed them go above and beyond on another COPO.


Obviously we both have a different take on this. My COPO experience so far has been awsome.

I will let the other COPO owners tell their own stories if they wish.

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FJ did not deserve that.

Looked like something you would see on yellow bullet.com

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Agreed.

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My point was that not all things are as they appear. It is not my place to tell someone elses COPO story. I would probably get it wrong anyway! Maybe, in time, someone directly involved will tell it.

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My apologies! I'm not a wannabe though, far from it. I'm not going to be building or racing a SS car anytime soon, just come in here to shoot the breeze.

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I thought I would chime in on the COPO discussion to clear up a few points from what I know firsthand. I am in line for a 427 N/A car and scheduled to take delivery on November 19th. I have had the good fortune of establishing some great relationships with the group at GM responsible for these cars coming to life.
1. GM did in fact work to get some cars in dedicated racers hands as early as possible. Not every racer was accommodated, an impossibility, but we can easily see that more than a few early delivered COPO's have been on the track from the earliest available completions.
2. Yes, some cars will surely become garage queen collector cars but GM really did try and select people that would campaign these cars, some very seriously and other more in the vein of a weekend warrior type fun drag car. Sounds like the old days to me, huh?
3. The COPO assembly facility in Michigan is very much on schedule and contrary to what some are saying, it looks like all 68 cars will be built and delivered in calendar 2012. If they miss, I'll bet it will be only a few cars finished in January but my guess is they will finish on time.
4. Most importantly: look one over when you get a chance. The build quality is outstanding. There are incredible details on these cars that really set them apart from the Ford and Chrysler offerings and it sure looks like their performance on the strip will very competitive as they evolve even more.
So yes, I am a little biased, but those are the facts.
I'm thrilled to be getting one soon and waiting for Spring for the fun to begin.