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Rusty Davenport 10-30-2012 09:54 AM

Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
Some of my more experienced engine builder---high RPM modified friends are unleashing a need for a special kind of filter "kit" needed to run Joe Gibbs oil. They are saying Joe Gibbs oil with standard type "paper" filter will cost you an engine failure by being clogged especially when a cold engine is started. Has anybody heard of anything like this with JG oil ??? Do WIX RACING filters have a problem with JG oil ??? I really hate to start another oil thread but I had to ask. Does anyone know about this filter "kit" that is so needed ???

Rusty Davenport 10-30-2012 01:00 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Davenport (Post 354182)
Some of my more experienced engine builder---high RPM modified friends are unleashing a need for a special kind of filter "kit" needed to run Joe Gibbs oil. They are saying Joe Gibbs oil with standard type "paper" filter will cost you an engine failure by being clogged especially when a cold engine is started. Has anybody heard of anything like this with JG oil ??? Do WIX RACING filters have a problem with JG oil ??? I really hate to start another oil thread but I had to ask. Does anyone know about this filter "kit" that is so needed ???

I did not make this up......do I need to call Myth Busters ???

Dave Ribeiro 10-30-2012 01:24 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
Maybe you should break down & buy the Joe Gibbs Oil filter Too ???

Rusty Davenport 10-30-2012 01:44 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Ribeiro (Post 354207)
Maybe you should break down & buy the Joe Gibbs Oil filter Too ???

I did Dave.....money is of no object of course.

Rusty Davenport 10-30-2012 04:47 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rusty davenport (Post 354182)
some of my more experienced engine builder---high rpm modified friends are unleashing a need for a special kind of filter "kit" needed to run joe gibbs oil. They are saying joe gibbs oil with standard type "paper" filter will cost you an engine failure by being clogged especially when a cold engine is started. Has anybody heard of anything like this with jg oil ??? Do wix racing filters have a problem with jg oil ??? I really hate to start another oil thread but i had to ask. Does anyone know about this filter "kit" that is so needed ???


for clarification----after research-----joe gibbs oil will clogg in cooler climates and prevent oil pressure with conventional filters------system 1 stainless cannister type filters will correct this problem.

Alan Roehrich 10-30-2012 09:37 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
Rusty, please email me or call me, I think you have my contact information.
Thanks.

junior barns 10-31-2012 04:10 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
So is there a problem with paper filters or not with this oil??????????????????????

Rusty Davenport 10-31-2012 04:51 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
there is definitely a problem with paper filters on "cold" starts........no oil pressure. It has happened more than once with JG. I don't like surprises at the track and it will happen especially in cold start situations. This is great oil just be very careful.

randy wilson 11-01-2012 12:53 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
I've had a problem with certain wix filters with any oil. Not bashing anyone, just my experience.

69Cobra 11-01-2012 01:45 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
But the System 1 filters don't have this problem?

Mr. Clutch 11-01-2012 02:24 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
What kind of filter is the K&N Filter? Will they clog?

Ed Wright 11-01-2012 02:53 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
I've used it on and off for a few years. I've never seen a filter (I use NAPA, been told they are made by Wix) stop up. Just don't like the stuff that settles out in the pan. Have lost some coating off my piston skirts using the zero weight. The BR30 has caused no coating problems for me.

Rusty Davenport 11-01-2012 04:55 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 69cobra (Post 354539)
but the system 1 filters don't have this problem?

that is correct.

Marine One 11-04-2012 05:38 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
Allot of things can cause a filter to plug. On well used and abused oil, it is the obvious things like carbon. Sometimes good oil can react poorly with fuels in the combustion process to form molecular chains that kill the TBN value, which causes carbon and soot to quickly build up.

I did not see if you listed the grade of oil, but analysis labs over the past few years have discovered an issue with the bases used to formulate any brand of zero weight (0W20, 0W30, etc). The first time a zero weight is ran, waxes start to shear and collect in the filters. The colder the climate or the better the filter, the greater the chances of seeing a plugged filter.

The good news, it only happens once; the very first time the zero weight oil is ran with the kinds of heat and pressure found in an engine. That means you can keep the clean oil and just do a one time replacement of the filter after running it for a few hours. This has only been noted in zero weight oils, nothing else. If you are not operating in northern Canada during December, you probably should stay away from the zero weight oils anyway.

FED 387 11-04-2012 06:03 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
WARNING !!!!!!-----When it comes to OEM stock type filters there are only a few manufacturers that "make them for everybody" --Baldwin--Champion--Wix--Honeywell--Purolater come to mind and they make almost every filter out there----Motorcraft/AC- Delco/Hastings/ Mobil -1/K&N/FRAM u name it check into it do a little research there are ONLY 4,5 maybe 6 companies making all the oil filters!!!! I don't care what you've heard BUT believe it no matter what they tell you---Also some forms/brands/types of assembly lube do not dissolve at all or dissolve minimally in oil when the engine is STARTED FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME!!!! Some do many do not!!!! Beware!!!!

Rusty Davenport 11-05-2012 12:55 PM

Re: Joe Gibbs Oil---cloggs a standard filter ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by marine one (Post 354947)
allot of things can cause a filter to plug. On well used and abused oil, it is the obvious things like carbon. Sometimes good oil can react poorly with fuels in the combustion process to form molecular chains that kill the tbn value, which causes carbon and soot to quickly build up.

I did not see if you listed the grade of oil, but analysis labs over the past few years have discovered an issue with the bases used to formulate any brand of zero weight (0w20, 0w30, etc). The first time a zero weight is ran, waxes start to shear and collect in the filters. The colder the climate or the better the filter, the greater the chances of seeing a plugged filter.

The good news, it only happens once; the very first time the zero weight oil is ran with the kinds of heat and pressure found in an engine. That means you can keep the clean oil and just do a one time replacement of the filter after running it for a few hours. This has only been noted in zero weight oils, nothing else. If you are not operating in northern canada during december, you probably should stay away from the zero weight oils anyway.

you are correct----the malfunctions have been with the 0 weight oil------must be something to all of this


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