2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Can I run a 2010 mustang with a 352ci rated @ 285hp in stock with a stick?

10.98 x 285hp +170# = 3299# would that put me in C/S

Thanks.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

10.98 is a natural F/S. You could only drop as low as E/S.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

I knew I would get this all wrong!...lol. So, this combination is legal? how did you come up with F/S? Am I correct with the factor and weight?

Thanks again.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

10.98 = a 10.5# class which is F

So 285x10.5+170= 3,162.5# min. weight for F

then you can move up or down one class so

285x10+170= 3,020# E min. weight

285x11+170= 3,305# G min. weight

Now these are the class minimum weights without nitrous. You have to weight at least the minimum of the next class up with nitrous. So if you were running as an E car with nitrous you would have to weight F's minimum. If you are from the Bayou that rule doesn't count.:D

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Yes, the combo is legal and in the guide. It should fly! You can go to the class weight breaks here. 10.50-10.99 is F/S (or F/SA). You don't do the math to find the natural class since you already had the weight factor of 10.98 listed in the class guide.

http://classracer.com/classes.html

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I forgot your weight question. For F/S you would need a minimum weight of 3,160 lbs. Here's the math.

10.5 x 285 = 2,992.50 You round down to the nearest 5 lb increment, so....

2,990 + 170 = 3,160

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Guys,

I'm new to the world of Stock and Super Stock and I'm now confused. I'm not aware of a 2010 model mustang that came with an engine even close to the 35X cubic inch range and am sitting here wondering how he can run in stock? Especially with a stock crank and stock dimension rods?

did I miss something when I read the rules?

Thanks,

Scott Lovell

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Hey Scott,
Welcome to NHRA I know you are or were a NMRA guy for quite awhile. If you click on the NHRA Competition link in the header above and then go to stock car classification guide then go to Ford 2010, Mustang it will give you the NHRA accepted options for that year, make and model. The 352 and the 428 options for this year were paper motors that came in the 2010 Cobra Jets only. These are pushrod motors the 352 is a 302 based engine and the 428 is a 351 based engine. In the same area were you find the stock car classification guide is also the engine blueprint/spec guide. Do the same there Ford, 2010 and it will list part numbers and specs for the engine of your choice. Hope that helps.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Yep. Thank you Sir, that does help.

But I still feel like I'm missing something. What do you mean by "paper motor"? I'm fairly sure I was unable to buy/order a 2010 mustang with a 428 in it back in 2010. I guess I'm not understanding why that engine is legal in stock if I wasn't able to buy a car like that, special production run or not, from Ford in 2010?

Thanks again for your help. Sorry for the amateur questions.

Scott

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

It's not a requirement that a certain engine be available from the factory in a certain model anymore. Not like the old days.

Confusing, yes.
All Ford did was submit specs for the 352 and 428 to NHRA and they (NHRA) approved an engine combo that only existed on "paper". Hence the paper motor reference. Ford never built those engines.

As posted above:
352 is a 302 block poked and stroked with Z304 Ford Racing heads and a 4 -blade throttle body.
In stock there has to be the correct part numbers on the intake, t.b., heads and of course the pistons and rods have to be to spec. (among other specs listed in the engine blueprint sheet for the 2010 Ford engines)

That engine is built pretty much from the Ford Racing catalog, for the most part.

To the o.p.:
Congrats on having a 2010 CJ Mustang. Have fun with it !

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

It's a crate motor. Ford didn't even make a pushrod motor for a passenger car in 2010.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Alan, Your are incorrect, Ford did built the 352 and the 428 in the 2010 CJ's. That are not just built on paper.

Scott, these Cobra Jets are purpose built cars for stock, just as the Challenger's and Camaros' are. The text below comes right from the NHRA rule book.

"OEM may apply for inclusion of any special production runs into the Official NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide. Special run must include a minimum of 50 units of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent."

I hope this clears things up.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Thanks for clarifying that Ken.
I stand corrected.
I knew guys were buying the non pushrod engine cars turnkey. Just never heard of anyone getting a 352 or 428 turnkey.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Chris Holbrock's car was originally a 352 car and John Calvert's car is a 428 car. Now I'm not sure if both or either of these were original CJ's from Ford but I thought they were.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Jesse Kershaw informed me that three 428 equipped cars were built in 2010.

Thanks for all your help guys.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Brian Wolfe's Cobra Jet was a 352 car and Chris Holbrooks was a 428 car originally IIRC. They also got the SEMA Silver paint job.

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That's one of them... Wolfe's car was a 428 ran A/SA and Holbrook ran E/SA at Indy in '10.

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Gotcha... Yeah I'm not sure which cars were turn key and which were rollers, I just know they were at Indy that year.

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I was going to transform a 2010 GT into a cobra jet, The parts list from Ford comes out to approx.$8k minus motor/trans. I started to look for these parts and Ford has them listed as not available, am I missing something.

If this does not work out, 1990 mustang with a 302 for K/S. I just finished a crate motor stocker for a friend and that was alot of fun, too bad NHRA wont allow "crate" motor classes.

Rich
SS/DM 161

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Here you go guys, the parts list for both the 352 and 428...notice how few of the real parts actually come from ford...that 352 is basically a stroker 302- 347 bored another .030 with the Z heads and a throttle body..no real mystery .. except the HP rating !!!

http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...8_FR_parts.pdf

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

They do not offer body parts, grille, hood, markings to make it a CJ.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Rich, its fairly easy to buy all the parts you need to build a 352. The only thing you need from Ford is the heads intake and throttle body. Everything else can be bought through the aftermarket. I would go with the boss block from Ford, its a great piece that needs very little machining.

Steve, not sure about your combo, but my old combo does not using many oem parts. Such as rods, pistons, cam, valves, and on on. Everything you need for a 352 or 428 is available from Ford. Everything else is available through the aftermarket.

Not sure what your point is other than the HP factor, which is really not part of this topic.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Thank you for everyone's help. If you carefully read my posts, I am trying to buy a CJ grille, CJ hood, and all other badges to turn a regular mustang into a CJ, or am I not aloud to do that. The original topic has been answered.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Rich, you do not need the badges just hood and grille, the link below is just one place your can get the hood. You can get the grille also, but through Ford only. I will give more info on were to get the grille by the end of the day.

http://www.summitracing.com/search?k...16612-CJ&dds=1

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

thanks ken!

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Rich,
Ford Racing no longer offers the grille and hood. You may want to Google the part numbers and see what you can find. The grille is M-5767-CJ10 and the hood is M-16612-CJ. The special motor mounts are still available to put the Windsor style engine in the S197 Mustang.
regards, Roland

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Call Ken Sabo at Varsity Ford Ann Arbor Michigan for CJ parts, I know he has a couple of grille's and everything else you could need.

See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Rich , I believe that the Skilmans have those parts in stock.
Holbrook just about has my 352 done for my GT car. I would highly recommend Chris for the top half purchase, he can also help with the fuel injection. This will be my 1st time in a class car, as T/D has been my forte.
Skilmans Ford in Greenwood IN, google it.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Mike at BuyFordRacing might also be able to get you what you need. He's been great to deal with on my project.

I wonder how different the Cobra Jet grill is from the California Special Grill?

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

I bought one from them a few months ago. They don't have it listed anymore, maybe I got the last one.

I compared a black 2012 GT/CS grille side by side with my CJ grille recently. Exactly the same except the CJ is cut out everywhere on the backside between the externally visible ribs. The GT/CS grille is closed off in the back for the most part. So you can easily make one from a GT/CS grille.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Thanks for posting that info !

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No prob.

A lot of the special parts for these cars dry up pretty fast. I managed to get some of the mirror deletes recently, but those wouldn't be hard to make either.

Some things I wonder about though. You'd think that based on the rulebook as written, it would be OK to run an 8.8" axle instead of a 9". Based on one of the other threads here, it sounds like maybe that is not the case? Then I wonder about the 12 bolt drop out in a 9" housing, is that not allowed in stock? I'm trying to get everything together to run the NA 5.0 coyote combination, and a 9" axle is just way overkill and has too much parasitic loss.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

You can run the 8.8 if you want to. The 9-inch has a couple of advantages to it but if your looking at saving some cost your 8.8 will work after you beef it up.

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Other than ease of service and more gear ratio selection I can't really think of any. Plus I already have the 8.8 with 9" ends on it and good axles.

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I find it hard to believe that anyone would get bumped in tech for using a 8.8 in a 2008 + Mustang.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Ken, I was looking at the HP classification between the 2010 352 at 285, and the 2013 363 at 330 ? Is this correct 45 more HP in the rating for simply increasing the bore size from 4.060 to 4.125 ? Basically identical engines plus 9 c.i.'s ?

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

There are some differences in the combo's. The 352 is now rated at at 312hp for the auto. The 352 has a bigger intake valve, 2.06 vs. 2.02 for the 363. The 352 has 11 less ci, with a 4.06 bore vs. the 363 4.125. All other specs and parts are them same.

On its face the 352 looks to be better at 312hp vs. 330hp for the 363, but I can't tell you why it was rated at 330. I can only guess it was a consensus between NHRA and Ford Racing.

I think it is still a good combo even at 330. The valve size to me is a wash because of the bigger bore, you should get better flow into the cylinders with the less shrouding. I also think it might be a better choice at the present time because there are none out there, you would be able to control future horse power increases.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Are you going to run an automatic or a stick? A 8.8 with an auto should be no issues, but I have a Jerico 4 speed in my M/S 85 Mustang, and I wish I had gone with a 9" instead of the 8.8. The selection of ratios is MUCH better with the 9", a 8.8 offers no ratios between 5.13 and 5.71. Also Pro gears are not available for the 8.8, I have broke 2 sets of 5.13 "street" gears in my 12 second Stocker. Also, in stock form, the 8.8 housing needs the axle tubes welded to the cast center, and tend to bend the tubes. Mine had to be straightened twice , but seems OK since we braced the tubes to the casting.

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

Definitely an automatic. In fact I'd say a "C-2" given the recent rule change. I know, I know, everyone says a 3 speed is faster. While I can see that when it is PG vs TH200, I think that there isn't much difference when it is PG vs C-4, as I don't think much of the C-4 with respect to both efficiency and reliability. So it should be real easy on the axle assy. The axle housing does already have the tubes welded.

BTW, I have read a few places that MW had an aluminum 8.8 spool, but I sure don't see one listed. Has anyone ever actually seen one?

Re: 2010 Mustang Stocker
 

The supply of manual rack and pinions is about exhausted. No longer available through Ford, I did get one from seller rbracingford on ebay. I know Flaming River makes one too, no idea how it compares as far as weight, ratio, etc.