GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

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Great, here we go all over again... 9 second cars rated at 300 hp.

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The ls1 auto is now 382 and there is going to be a crate motor 350 ls at 300. Will Nhra go for this?

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Instead of a new engine, it might be time for me to pull the plug on this deal. The bogus DPs running nines on 2 barells and the Mustangs at 70% throttle angle are bad enough. Now the Camaros too.

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Ed,

You may not be alone on this one. This may be the year they killed the whole thing.

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Lovely bunch of fellows these nhra guys.

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Lame!!!!!

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Gregg, I think you mean will they swallow.

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Bruce, remember when all the Chrysler and Ford guys thought we would be happy when GM brought the new Camaro out. They are all bogus and are doing significant damage to the sport we all love.

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Now wait a minute; that is Chevrolet, the Obama of All Race Cars. Yall supposed to look east and bow for the Camaro. Everything is all right now. Yall got cars, motors, and all things Bow Tie. The earth is now back on its right axis. What are the issues? Let's see, they ain't in the book, no one has run them heads up or in a shoe polish race, they hold no record, have not qualified in the top half, and haven't won class anywhere.

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Mr Jeff,
They won CC/SA in Indy, Conolly over Patterson.

Brett Candies
4192 Stock/SS

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I was referring to the motors announced but not accepted. The complaints are finished for the old 2012 Chevy.

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Now just wait a minute there Jeff!
You can trash the "New" Chevrolet all that you want.
You can trash Obama all that you want (just not here).
Just don't go trashing the name Camaro anywhere near me!
Gators still taste like chicken right?

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The 396/375 spec. showed LS3 heads, 10.0/1 compression, and a 90mm throttle body. I feel that the guys at Chevrolet Performance are really trying to add reasonable combinations that will allow the average guy a chance to run one of these cars.

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Has anyone put one of these Crate motors on a dyno to show the HP they really make?

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Understood.

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Greg,
I agree bogus is as bogus does. No matter the manufacturer. This probably drives the brand guys nuts. I hope nhra understands that contempt runs both ways.

Jeff, you should not talk about Obama when your mouth is full. You and Chrysler have done very well under this President. Wonder why your Obama posts haven' t been pulled?

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Now wait a minute. Obama was used as an adjective to describe the 'Annointed' Bow Tie Motors. Has nothing to do with anything else. Let's not get too thin skinned here in such a jovial season as Christmas.

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Jeff,
I hope you noticed the word "posts." You are a serial Obama poster and no thin skin here. Just love the hypocrisy of your posts.

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Class warfare. Maybe they will redistribute the power across everyone?

What is the 300hp crate consist of? Heads and intake wise? Is it like re-introducing the 98 LS1 again with a carb intake?

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The to motors in the picture , the in the front is an LS is that the 396/375 motor is are they both crate motors the intakes are bogus ? Or is it just the 6 liter that is really in the camaro street car ? Is it in the nhra book yet ? And that is the 350/300 hp motor looked like a bracket or it for street rod/cars ?

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We all don't hate our wallet that much. Maybe a strong dislike for money, but not a true hatred. :)

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I am doing my part. I feel like a header pimp.

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Think the proper phrase would be "header *****". Quite a distinction. Mark's work is unmatched IMHO, sure it takes a lot of headers and merge collectors to feed a Comp habit..

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New class"Stock appearing" Must look stock,any rocker arm,any lifters,any seats,any fuel cells,any engine,any tranny.Careful what ya wish for! Oh wait we are already their


Kevin

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Seriously anyone who racies a new car, Mustang, Dodge, Camaro surely cannot "cast stones" about horsepower rating on ANY new car. Well maybe as a joke....

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You know what they say about people that live in glass houses.....they should throw parties with strippers.

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talked to a gm guy this weekend at the cratemotor displays and he said the dyno is about 20 less than posted...that's what he said, don't tell nobody .....lol

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:d:d:d:d:d:d:d<<<<<<<<<<<<< my smiley face no not wooooorrrrrrrrk

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Well if NHRA holds Obama motors to the same standard as they did Ford's new 302 which is rated at 1.1589 hp/cube at 350 hp. That should rate the GM stuff at 405 hp for the 350 and 458 hp for the 396. Which is absurd but probably very close to accurate.

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Mark, I have been following your progress in the comp car, looks like it's coming around. Your correct stock is going to hell fast, before long comp will be cheaper than stock with all the new factory hot rods. Good luck with your new endeavor.

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Sounds like a lot of you want to go back to Pure Stock !!

You are welcome and win the same money..:D

D

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Considering the base V6 Camaro is rated over 300hp net what "350" is less?

When are they going to start selling Jerry Haas Pro Stockers with Sonny's 1005 cube Hemi engines rated at 325hp for B and C Stock?

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With NHRA allowing this, it proves one thing. They do not care if everyone with a car 15 years or older goes away. The NHRA upper management wants the manufacturer money, and could care less about us. The clock is ticking for us. We either go out and get slaughtered in heads up racing, or just go away and find another outlet for our money.
This can't mean anything but that. Almost makes you want to ignore the rules when racing against one of these new cars. Just not to lay down for the guys that race these cars. Nobody who is alowing this, cares about fairness and equaility of all the racers regardless of what cars they race or how old they are. Sad times indeed

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Question might be, if you could do one thing from a business point to create "new "interest in Stock and SS racing, and new business partners to help support it what would you accept? Lots of looser rules for new tech? Lots of looser hp ratings to encourage entry of NEW cars for the spectators? Consider the fact that many Stock and SS cars are now in the 50 year old range. To get spectators interest who never saw them new or were born 20 years after they were new, should you "allow" them to become non competitive? encourage them to not survive while not creating a rule to exclude them? Time and racing moves forward and some of us are stuck in time enjoying our older ways and cars.

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Todd you've got me thinking... Tell me what would be the consequences for the older car in this scenario. Older car can run -1.00 under at legal weight and say its possible older car could remove enough weight to pick up say .30 for example only lets say that older car is entered in D but can get to B weight. So now illegally the older car can run -1.3 under against a new underrated combo. Older car knows that it has a heads up run with this new car in the next round. Now older car make new car run at least 1.3 under as long as older car has is even or better on the tree. Older car goes down and dumps new car to run the as suspected -1.00 under. New car goes 1.3x under and get hp on Tuesday... Older car doesn't get the win light so drives by scales and goes home. Tell me what consequences old car gets in this scenario if any? Old car knew before going to the staging lanes that he was not going to win a green light race. The only down side I see is if the new car red lights and old car has to go to the scales. Now what?

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Kris, that was just the fustration speaking thats all. If the guy your are racing redlights and they find whatever you do to pick up for that race, you are branded as a cheater. For me its not worth it. I have to much respect for the people I race against to do that. The best thing to do is make yoiur car as fast as possible, and when you race these guys run as close to the 1.00 mark as you can. loose the battle but try to win the war as they say.
It would be nice if these cars were only 2 to 3 tenths faster then us, not 7 or 8 in bracket mode. Best thing is to build your combo and go out and race. We still have a great sport and great people that we are privliged to race with. Im looking forward to going out and banging gears and working on my car to make it the best I can. We never know what tomorrow will bring.

Dick, your ideas is not bad, but in this economy I cant see many racers going out and upgrading their old cars with brand new crate engines with fuel injection. Lots of expense with not much return.

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This whole argument comes down to corruption. The manufacturers give money to NHRA in exchange for allowing these bogus cars with bogus motors and bogus horsepower ratings to be allowed in stock and super stock. This corrupts the whole process. NHRA has abdicated it's responsibility to try and provide a level playing field for as one of my friends said, " some pickup trucks and a few courtesy cars". I think it's probably more significant than that but that's what is driving this whole deal. This has been happening for a number of years going back to Oldsmobile in the 70's and 80's, then Pontiac in the 90's but what's happening now is a whole lot different.

All this has been done with no input from members and no regard for how it affects people who have been members for 40 plus years. It's wrong, it's corrupt, and it's damaging our sport and as long as we all keep going to these races nothing will change. I have not been willing to quit, for a couple of reasons including a son who loves drag racing, but I have not attended a National event since 2008. It seems like other people have done the same thing. The sports national races, the points meets, and the national opens seem to still have pretty good fields, but the nationals have had diminished fields. Who ever thought you could get in Indy with one grade point?

Let them run their nationals with just the new cars and see what happens. I have talked to a lot of people in the past four years about this and almost everyone that races an older car is concerned and upset with the whole deal.

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Bottom line is these "new " cars should be in a class of their own (kinda like IHRA did ) and then it would not effect the older cars period.....I am not here trying to promote IHRA ,,just stating an opinion ...Let the new cars beat each other up and hp will come soon enough........

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Bottom line old cars don't sell new cars and new parts.
It's very easy to understand