1962 Mopars, 361/305 HP
 

1962 Mopars with the 361/305 HP

The 1962 Plymouth Sport Fury's, dominated C/SA (10.60 - 11.29 Wt/Hp) from 1963 thru 1965.

And did have their fair share of wins in D/SA in 1966.

NHRA Classes.
1962 ..........................A/SA
1963 thry 1965..........C/SA
1966...........................D/SA
1967...........................C/SA

In 1968, the new weight class was F/SA (10.50 - 10.99 Wt/Hp).

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.48658...88312&pid=15.1

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1966 photo

1962 Plymouth Sport Fury

Dean Russell (NED 1) racer out of Norwalk, Connecticut.

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3...le.php?id=2505

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Dave Kempton from California was quite successful running this combo in a '62 Plymouth in C/SA, before switching to the 383/343 after a few years.

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1962 Plymouth Sport Fury and Dodge Polara 500

361/305 HP (Hot Camshaft, Dual-Point Distributor and Dual-Exhaust)
as standard equipment.

Properly 'tweaked', and they were running 13.60's @ 102 MPH.

Dave Kempton went with the 383/343 Dual-Quad 1962 'Sport Fury'
in 1966, which was now classed in C/SA.

The 361/305 HP cars were classed in D/SA in 1966.

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Doug Kahl, out of Lansing, Michigan.

1962 Plymouth Sport Fury, 361/305 HP

Ran this car in 1963, 1964 and 1965 in C/SA.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...3&d=1250632371

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For Sale

1967 C/SA - National Record Holder

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1...tbreakerii.jpg

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Here's one more of Doug Kahl's World Champion '62 Plymouth stocker...wonder what ever happened to it or if it's still around.

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attac...2&d=1266715210

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SS/HA '62 Dodge of Ron Debler Beach City Dodge...

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=2321

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i purchased 2 361 305 engine from a scrap guy a few years ago with the intent to put one in the behemoth. nhra only rates that engine at 270 hp now my wagon will fit j&k /sa i think it is a real valid combo these days.

paul i also read an article a few years back that stated chrysler built 6 plymouth and 6 dodge 361 305 factory race cars? do you have any info on that?

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Jimi,

Found some minimal information that a few of the 1962 Plymouth Sport Fury 361/305 HP cars
were 'chemically engineered' (lightened by 200 lbs.), and factory prepped for A/SA (10.60 - 11.29 Wt/Hp) in 1962.

The 1962 Plymouth Sport Fury 361/305 HP weighed in at #3267 lbs., and had a 'near perfect' 10.61 Wt/Hp factor.

1962 NHRA Classes,
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...7&d=1228340106

Classes were changed in 1963

1963 = C/SA
1964 = C/SA
1965 = C/SA
1966 = D/SA
1967 = C/SA

Back in the Day, they kind of 'floundered' in 1968, when the classes were re-factored.
1968 = F/SA
1969 = G/SA
1970 = H/SA
1971 = H/SA
1972 = SS/JA

Back around 1970, you could find these cars sitting in the back 'weed lots' of the Plymouth Dealerships.

We called them the 'Ugly Lots', or 'Old Man Cars'.

What did we know.........

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Didn't Dave Kempton have a 4 door version?

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It didn't take long for some of the Mopar Guys to figure out, rather
than beat yourself up running in A/SA with a Plymouth Sport Fury or
Dart Model 440 361/305 HP in 1962.

Switch over to a Station Wagon (6-Passenger) (#3580 lbs.), and clean up in B/SA in 1962.

1963 thru 1965,
The 361/305 HP 'Mopar Wagons' were classed in D/SA, and were potent runners, and regular Class Winners.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.49304...58138&pid=15.1

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I came across this article on a '62 Dodge station wagon called the 'Tennessee Hustler'...does anyone here remember this one.

http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.c...s/zornig62.jpg

http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/zornig62.html

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Here's an oldie of a '62 Plymouth Sport Fury...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me...xvpo1_1280.jpg

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Paul. would you have anymore info on these Golden Lion 361's, I seem to remember that they came in the full size models...

http://perogie.com/82c4_12.jpg

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Here's one of another '62 Dodge station wagon...anyone know the history on this one.

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparf...1&d=1341168555

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I remembered seeing the attached article years ago showing that Dave Kempton's car still survives, and also that "someone" (Chrysler?) did indeed "chemically engineer" that particular car at least.

http://www.competitionplus.com/2005_...e_fulcher.html

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Maybe too late (I know) but I was wondering what "Hot Camshaft" meant.

The 383/343-8v (parts counter or in-the-trunk combo) had a solid cam, looks like it may have been the same as the 413/380hp 300H cam?

When I look in the NHRA Blueprint files, a lot of the 1960-63 era Mopars have a hyd cam, eg lift .430 .430, and then an "option" for a solid cam, eg gross lift .444 .458.
The NHRA Blueprint for 1962 361/305hp shows .444 .456 (gross?) lift so it makes me think that is the solid cam.

Did the 1962 361/305hp run this same (solid) cam or have an option for that solid cam?

That might explain why it ran so good.
Mopars are more confusing than Pontiacs sometimes.

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My Grandfather ran the 361/305 in a couple '62 Dodge's from '66-69. It was a hydraulic cam, with a single point distributor.

The 383/343 is a solid cam combination.

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More detail:
I just thought maybe the 1962 361/305 had the hottest setup (ie maybe solid cam option) because it seems like all the Nationals winning 361/305 cars were 1962 cars. NHRA says the 1961 361/305 offered a hyd and solid cam, so I figured maybe 1962 did as well. From the LIFT, it looks that way but those NHRA Blueprint files are vague sometimes.


For the FACTORY stock cam I've seen ranges of 252-252 duration, .390 .390 lift to 268-268 duration, .430 .430 lift.
That's for 1958-62.

NHRA Blueprint files show the 1962 lift as .444 .456.
305 361 DP .020 Flat 2080/1660 444/456 .020 Outer w Damp

From other engines in the NHRA files I would *GUESS* that's a solid cam.
For example below is the 1961 NHRA Blueprint.
Look how many times the same HP engine offers 2 or more cams.
Anybody know which cams there are (I'm guessing .430 .430 is hyd, .446 .458 is solid?)
And which one Kempton ran for all those wins (guessing the bigger solid one?)
Anything on duration or even part # etc appreciated.
305 361 D .023 Flat 2080/1600 430/430 020 Outer w Damp 1,2
305 361 D .023 Flat 2080/1600 446/458 020 Outer w Damp 1,2

330 383 D .023 Flat 2080/1600 430/430 020 Outer w Damp 1,2
330 383 D .023 Flat 2080/1600 446/458 020 Outer w Damp 1,2

340 383 D .023 Flat 2080/1600 430/430 020 Outer w Damp 1,2
340 383 D .023 Flat 2080/1600 449/454 020 Outer w Damp 1,2

350 413 D .051 Flat 2080/1600 430/430 020 Outer w Damp 1,2
350 413 D .051 Flat 2080/1600 446/458 020 Outer w Damp 1,2

375 413 D .051 Flat 2080/1600 430/430 020 Outer w Damp 1,2
375 413 D .051 Flat 2080/1600 449/454 020 Outer w Damp 1,2
375 413 D .051 Flat 2080/1600 446/458 020 Outer w Damp 1,2

Notes:
1 – Available with solid OR hydraulic lifters.
2 – Optional 2.080/1.740 valves in same head.

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Class Racer Info will tell you if the combination is hydraulic or solid.

That being said, for the most accurate info, you would need the blueprint specs from the actual years you are researching. It seems some things have changed through the years in the NHRA Classification Guides, so what is published now, may not be what was originally published in 1962, 1963, etc.

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Thanks I did look in there but just copied in the excerpts above that gave valve LIFT.

For the 361/305hp the NHRA Blueprint .doc files say
1960=M lift .446 .458
1961=H or M lift .430 .430 or .446 .458
1962=H lift .444 .456

Note that 1962 says "H", but the "H" cam was always either .390 .390 lift or .430 .430 lift. That .444-.446 intake .456-.458 exhaust lift is almost always an "M" cam everywhere else it's listed. I'd bet all the factory cars were "H" cam but was wondering, was there an "M" cam option for 1962 with one of those "special letters to NHRA" that all of them wrote now & then.

Seems the National Winners/Records 361/305 cars were ALL 1962 so I'm trying to figure why, other than lower head cc, that year was so "hot".

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62 361/305,271 is a great combo for stock even better in a 6 or 9 passinger wagon the worst parts of this combo is finding the intake.

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I did find some info over on HAMB.
See pg554, Chuck Norton said that Kempton ran a solid cam in his 62-361/305-4v.

I'm just guessing here, that it was the same solid as in the 383/343-8v combo?


https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...01085/page-554

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We will see what this does in modern times. Working on getting the piston approved.

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Do you recall the piston min volume cc's?
NHRA Blueprint file doesnt have that detail in it.

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There is no volume its completely flat. Piston to valve clearance will be an issue.

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