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Looks like the Opens could be interesting. It would be a great case to show off and set the record for some of the half track cars! They could have a real battle for a national record or no. 1 qualifier. It would have to be a COPO, CJ, and Drag Pak playground!
Maybe it will help some car counts at the National Opens.
As nauseating the factors are for some of these cars, at least we can see a full throttle run or two! That would be pretty cool.

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I really don't agree with this, if you are allowed to set records, the AHFS should apply.

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Only so many Carey Bales 'types' (WOT)...suspect they will still not show their cards. But will be interesting at least and you're right that it may help car counts.

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JMantle No disrespect but I don't agree with the AHFS at all!!! With half my brain tied behind my back I could do a better job with HP factors than that. I'm glad us guys that know what we are doing have spent a little money and have worked hard for years now have a place where we can let it hang without the fear of getting hp. And lets face it. Air like they had at the dutch last year can ruin a combo that has a factor already close. I don't think there are many combos out there that couldn't run at least 1.20 under those type of conditions. Barry

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I agree the AHFS is far from perfect but that's all we have. One good thing that could come out of this is it will expose some of the 1000 footers who just can't resist.
Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

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We need Farmer!!

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I think at the Opens they should be allowed to go all out with no penalty.
My car & i'm sure other small block carb motors Run sooo much better in cool air
then they can run in 90 degree humid air.

On the other hand, the new cars probably can run better then the older cars in any air.

I do not think New or Old Cars should get penalized at the Opens.

There are enough races during the year where these new cars can get H.P. from anyway.

Just my .03 cents

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That's the case in comp!

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I would imagine the tech guys will be super busy at the teardown barn at those national opens.

Still, it will be fun to watch some racers hang it all out.

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They wouldn't observe these runs, oh say just for fun, then make some adjustments in a couple of years as is their perogative.....just "trust" us......turn them loose....have some fun boys

.....nah

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Don't discourage them Randall! :-)

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Hey,
They're called 'OPENS' let everyone run wide OPEN! It would definitely help car count. I for one would love to see all these great Stockers and Super Stockers run flat out.

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No, we don't. We don't need any sort of human factor to introduce error or bias. Especially not the way NHRA is run and personnel selected thse days.

We just need a properly designed and well thought out system, one pound weight breaks in the upper classes, and enough rewards for performance to make it work.

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I run flatout all the time , The only improvement I can do to my cars is race oil . The new cars are fast but for all of you who think the new cars are holding a bundle your wrong

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Exactly - we run ours all out as well (witness another AHFS HP increase recently)

It amazes me how many old car owners worry about 1.20 under with there cars since the only under factored cars are the new ones - LMAO

We cannot go 1.20 under in BB - close but only in very good air

Ron

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You're absolutely correct Alan. When they took the human element out, that was the best decision NHRA made. Unfortunately, they didn't tighten up the guide lines in which to deliver the adjustment.

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I am not knocking your statement. I know it always looks easier from a different class, but I think it will offer an opportunity for those that really have their cars figured out to show it.
A couple of years ago at Indy, I heard the same thing about the A/SA cars entered. Then Barton uncorked a killer run and showed just what was possible. He also showed that he had a superior car. I think it is much cooler to see cars really pushing it to see who is really quicker in similar cars. Some of the Opens that experience killer conditions have an opportunity to really show the other cars in their class where they stand. I am sure there are plenty of cars out there that will take advantage of it and they aren't all CJs, DPs COPOs or 350 dish piston Chevy Trucks!
I think it will be cool.
I think there will be some bruised egos from the guys that now understand their car is. .2-.3 tenths slower then some others with the same combo. Me, I am used to it so I can take it! LOL.

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leave it to NHRA to hang thier hat on the Automatic Help For Slugs as the only way to fairly evaulate and adjust horsepower with no human involvement and with computer precision and accuracy > and then SANCTION RACES THAT IGNORE THIS MUCH VAUNTED SYSTEM TO FIX ALL OUR HORSEPOWER WOES.

i am sure the AHFS cannot and will not ever work because we manipulate it... however i KNOW it cant work when you exempt the fastest runs.

captain jack

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Alan, this system is easy to play. If Farmer saw the new cars clicking off at 1000', then qualify in the top five, he would fix it.

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Yes, the system is easy to play. That's why I said "a properly designed and well thought out system".

No system will ever work well so long as they fail to reward performance, because no one has an incentive to perform. The current system offers nothing but incentive not to perform.

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Qualifying points would help.

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Points and money to qualify top ten, win class, and set records. Otherwise, no system will ever really work, because no one ever has much reason to go fast.

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x2

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National records used to be same points as winning two rounds, MPH records were same as one round. Why not now? I don't know. When I started trying to do this again I was surprised at zero points for records.

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Now you get 0 points for a record that expires, never undrstood that.
AHFS might work better if qualifying counted.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

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With today's technology, an intelligent racer can run 1320 ft., and still run six tenths under with a new combo.

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Some here in Div 4 evidently don't know how to make restrictor plates.