Stock/Superstock Combo Muncie Dragway
 

hello everyone , I was at the Cabin Fever Drag Expo this past weekend, and talk to Scott Daniels the new owner of Muncie Dragway in Muncie In. I talked to him about having a stock/super stock combo race, and he was all for it. He wanted to kinda get an idea of what to expect as far as how the best way to run a combo race would be. Heads up no Heads up? How many of the guys and gals local would support it? And is there really any interest in a combo race in this location. Bowling green runs a great combo race and is very centrally located for everyone with in northern georgia, tenn, kentucky, southern indiana. Muncie is a great facility, and long shutdown area. For us div 3 guys there was suppose to be a national open there 2 yrs ago. Let see if we can make it happen. Please comment let Scott know what kinda actions need to take place to get the ball rolling and let him know how much you would support it here.

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I think scheduling would be the most important factor. Most other series' have their schedules out -- takes a lot of research. Heads-ups are ok, but I'd travel for the right race regardless, as long as it fit the schedule.

Seems like there's a huge number of S/SS Combo events and series in this region. I'd almost rather they consolidate a couple races here and there and promote to a wider region, if you could get guys to travel for it, and have some larger car count, larger purse races to complement the other smaller, more local races. It takes all kinds! :)

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I'd go. I know at least a couple of others that would probably be players.

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I'd try it. Who is Scott Danials? Will he be around next year?

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I might try mowing down the grass between the lanes. :)

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http://www.munciedragway.com/Photos/...1/Default.aspx

Looks like they took care of the grass issue. I'd be game to run some. My father used to race there before my older brother was born. I've never ran there personally.

Heads up, staggered start off the index? Could be fun. Already plenty of bracket stuff and would be nice to see some cars let it hang out and run it out the back door. Just a thought.

How many racers are being considered?

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If that grass is gone I'd support the event for sure.

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If it's going to be a dial-in race, you might consider including Nostalgia Super Stock. N/SS could run on 1/4 second indexes (permanent dials) or dial like everybody else. If we get our car back together, we'd be there.

I will definitely be there to watch, regardless. I'll try to drag some buddies from work along, if their wives will let them out of the house! ;-)

Good Luck with the event!

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Good guys keep them coming. Really hoping Scott and his crew can put on at least 1 combo race this yr. it needs the support and I am all for the nostalgia guys coming in along with Ihra cars as well. The more cars the merrier.

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I'd be in depending on the date.

Brian Seibenick

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Obviously the date would try to accommodate the national and divisional schedule along with the open schedules. Just so everyone knows.

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I can come with two car if schedule at right timing. S/SS combo &heads up are great! Please do turn this in to a bracket race, with no heads up and any combo dial in. Just my 2 cents. Thanks

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I meant to say do not.

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My vote is no heads-up. Makes it easier on everybody - no games w/ weight or debate about the scales, etc.

There are a number of class cars in Michigan, northern Ohio and Indiana that need some of these Combo races to fill in the gaps in the schedule - and more importantly - to have some fun.

I wish somebody would resurrect the Great Lakes Stock-S/S series.

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From most of the spectator aspect of it. If there is no heads-up there is no point in watching it. Otherwise it's just another bracket race with different cars competing other then the locals. Not real exciting for the people watching. Yes Stock/SuperStock is a glorified bracket race for most of the time but its a performance based class some of the time and that's the exciting part. As a racer and also a spectator I watch/race for the heads-up I put up with the bracket stuff as just a required evil to keep cost down.

From a point of view of cost, simplicity and to allow drivers/teams to dial in their combo for the NHRA race. Then bracket would work. (Plus those who play the game and never want to show their true hand on running under the index)

From a standpoint of entertainment for drivers and spectators. And to work on their combo for all out performance and draw some attention from the crowd interesting them into Stock/SuperStock cars. Heads-up is the way to go.

Personally I'm not going to drive 2 1/2 hours to bracket race more then once more then likely. I can do that at 3 tracks all less then an hour from my house.

Maybe a compromise depending how many show up.
1.) You could run it with class run-off and combos for those that are the only car in that index and then an overall winner with everyone competing. Prize for heads up and prize for bracket portion
2.) Have heads-up for the current stockers/SuperStockers and nostalgia for the guys wanting to run bracket.


In any event advertising/promoting the event and getting support and public interested is going to be the key to making it a success. I'd go to a lot more things if only I knew about them in advance.

Also how about having people actually drive their stock cars not just "Stock/SuperStock" if car counts are low and could get some people involved in the racing. If its stock/near stock then you can enter? Doesn't even really have to be in the guide. You have a 2013 GT500 or even a 98 200SX come on down. You would need a decent tech guy to keep everyone straight and class them appropriately so as to not get completely creamed by the full bore Stock/SuperStock cars but could also take their best qualifying time and drop it a tenth and stagger the start that way . Or would that dilute what was wanting to be put on? Just throwing ideas around.

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I sure would like that also. I'll be retired at the end of Feburary and have some more time for these types of things.

How much work was it to run that GLSS combo? Maybe it could be resurrected.

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Sorry If no heads up it's a bracket race! Why would you want to run S/SS and not have the thrill of running a heads up? I will stay home and run bracket!

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Heads up is what make class racing, class racing.

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This topic comes up often in association races, Heads-up or No heads-up. In the ASRA we run 6 races annualy and have for 31 years. Our car counts average over 60 . We have always had heads up in our events. We always have scales, we always weigh cars during time trials and we have spot check rounds where everyone weights. most importantly if there is a heads up, we always weigh that pair.

Yes we have dq'd because a racer is lite during the eliminator , but it is rare and probably has happened 3 times in the last 10 years. the 3 that come to mind, 2 were heads up and 1 was not.

Honestly we have not had any big controversies regarding weight and legality issues, we allow protests, but I know we have not had one in 20 years and maybe never.

Some of our most exciting and talked about events and rounds have involved heads up runs. And we have had votes at our meetings about heads up and each time the vote has resoundingly gone for heads up.

I will say that I believe you will get more cars if you have heads up runs.

That's just my take on the deal

Most importantly, anyone who organizes a stk/ss event is to be congratulated, it is like a civic duty to our sport and is a lot of work, but well worth it.

Good Luck

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A lot of it will depend on the capability of the facility itself. Many weekly tracks do not have scales, fuel check equipment, etc, much like the tracks we have here (Pittsburgh hosts a Pro-Am, but do not have "real" scales--they have the ones you put into the ground and weigh one axle at a time, and are not 100% accurate, not like real scales are). Quaker City took theirs out. I've promoted/co-promoted, and put on S/SS combo races at ten tracks in four states since 1999--only two of which had good scales (Maple Grove and Numidia; two other had old scales that may or may not be accurate). If the host facility doesn't have quality calibrated scales, it won't work. A car could win a round (heads-up or not), and really be 50 pounds heavy, but a faulty scale reads as ten pounds light, and now you're DQ'd with a 100% legit car. You wouldn't be a happy camper. Case in point, 2003 at Pittsburgh IHRA race. Scaled that morning, was ten pound heavy. So I added a gallon of gas, plus twenty-five pounds of weight. Made my qual run, was fifteen pounds LIGHT, scaling twice. So the run was DQ'd. I was .04 slow from my best, but I would have been PISSED if it were an elimination round (wish my body lost weight on the scale like my racecar did...)

Likewise, the tech people. Most local tracks have tech people that are accustomed to teching local weekly bracket cars. While some of them may know what an A/SA '69 Camaro or SS/JA '65 Nova is supposed to have, they likely won't know in some of the other classes (SS/GT, SS/Mod, Crate Motor, etc). Which opens up the possibility of cheating. I could ''claim" my car as a 396/325 motor for, say, GT/DA, when it actually has a 427/425. So I'd qualify #1, make legal weight, win any heads-up and gain any bye runs, all while totally illegal. And most of the local weekly tech people wouldn't know. They likely just don't have the knowledge, the Classification Books, etc, to properly do the job needed at an event such as this. So now you're looking at hiring a knowldgeable, qualified tech person (in Indiana, I would see if Travis MIller, Bill Floyd, etc were available).

IF, and that is a big IF, the track has all the necesary scales, fuel check equipment, and qualifed tech person, I would say you could go towards allowing all the NHRA-type stuff people want.

Otherwise, it's easier, cheaper, less hassle, etc for the track and/or promoter, to run the event all on a dial-in, must dial the Class Index, car must fit an NHRA or IHRA class (Or Nost/SS, for those series that allow them and work the other rules out as needed. If the event grows and shows that participation will support it, then go to the expense and time to do all the other stuff.