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I can find no record of 1967 Chevy ll Sedan having a SS or subsequently a bucket seat option. Keep in mind SEDAN post car. If that is the case in fact.....the sedan only had a bench seat. Can that bench seat now be replaced by two racing seats in NHRA Stock Eliminator ??? Forgive me for any redundance.

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forgive me for the redundancy......NHRA says YES......put the racing seats in.

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The way I read it the seats both driver and passenger must be identical however you can replace a bench with buckets but they must be either OEM OR aftermarket equivalent to an OEM seat--- no where does it say "racing" seat it is either OEM or aftermarket OEM equivalent--- I would check with the Div tech dept or maybe Bruce Bachelder for a clarification on this ----but be prepared to show an example or explain the seat you want to substitute for what is in the vehicle now

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the clarification is directly from NHRA tech.......the buckets can go in and have to be approved. The racing seat description was my bad description.

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I just read the rule, and it appears to be written identically to the super stock rule. That means racing seats are legal.

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I'd be very cautious here in interpreting what NHRA means ---yes they do seem to mirror each other in their wording but again I cannot find the word "racing' in either Stock or Super Stock regarding the use of front seats--- The only thing I see is OEM or aftermarket OEM equivalent----- NOTHING about 'RACING" seats---better get it in writing from NHRA as to "RACING" seats being OK to use in either class

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the clarification I needed was mainly about the replacement of bench seats where buckets seats were not an option such as the 67 Chevy ll post sedan ( non SS ) and station wagons for examples.

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Rusty-- I see your point but as I said better check with NHRA for the ultimate decision--- ask em outright "Can I use 1966 Chevy II bucket seats in a 1966 Chevy II 2 door sedan even tho the factory did not offer them???"---- you will get your clarification "yes its OK or no you cannot" then you can make your decision which way to go

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Hot off the press----stand by everyone------NHRA is rediscussing it and is going to give me a ruling in reference to replacing bench only cars.

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OK------- AS IT STANDS FOR NOW THIS MOMENT----FROM NHRA---- BUCKET SEATS CANNOT REPLACE BENCH SEATS IN CARS THAT BENCH ONLY SEATS WERE AVAILABLE.

now about the 1967 Chevy ll sedan post-----because it was a SS hardtop available option, could that sedan post car have ever had bucket seats ????

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Please don't further confuse them as they are having a hard enough time wrapping their heads around the need for a modern strut rod design:confused:

Mark Madison
7995

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Agreed!!!

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No

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As we are talking about things like this seat ruling amendment and we interpret rules in many different ways I seem to remember somewhere in the rule book there is a clause that goes something like " if it is not expressly prohibited or allowed do not assume that it is/is not legal" or something along those lines. You had better get a ruling from NHRA regarding any questions regarding the legality of anything!!!! Been there done that! --FED387

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And with sometimes convenient or aging memories , in writing wouldn't hurt either.

Mark Madison
7995

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HERE IT IS------ HOT OFF THE PRESS FROM THE WEST COST----NHRA OFFICIAL------THE CHEVY ll POST CAR 66-67 WAS BENCH SEAT ONLY AND CANNOT HAVE BUCKET OR INDIVIDUAL TYPE SEATS IN STOCK ELIMINATOR. I CAN SEND YOU THE EMAIL IF YOU WANT IT.

Thanks for the clarification.

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page xv under "HOW TO USE THIS RULEBOOK" in the rule book


On the other hand, as to performance equipment, it is the
general rule that unless optional performance equipment or
performance-related modification is specifically permitted by
this Rulebook, it is prohibited. All model, engine, or equipment
changes or modifications not specifically addressed in this
Rulebook must be submitted in writing to NHRA for
consideration prior to competition. Approval will be granted or
denied in NHRA’s sole and absolute discretion. The applicant
will be notified of approval or rejection in writing from NHRA
headquarters in Glendora, Calif.

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They are going to have to fix that. Now if you have one of these cars that run a higher class, you have to stick with a bench seat? I thought you could convert a car with a bench to bucket seats without a problem. How many people today know what car came with bench and bucket seats. Why was this even brought up? Some people go to far and hurt their own cause looking for approval for everything. How many people with these cars changed over after the rule came down? Where is the official manufactures list for cars that never had bucket seats? Do we just go off of say so from the experts , and experienced racers?

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Kelly--thats it !!! you cannot split hairs here---it is or it is not legal according to the rule book -- if its vague you have to get a ruling on it---

give ya a for instance here ---Years ago I showed up in Columbus at the Spring Nationals with a vehicle that was 250 pounds under the minumum weight of 2800 pounds . However the rule book said if I used an automatic trans in lieu of a manual trans I could weigh 250 pounds less than a manual trans car--- never ever said anything about being under the posted minumum weight for the class which I was the car weighed 2575 or 225 pounds less than the posted class minumum weight--- They let me run begrudgingly only after going round and round for about 2 hours of discussion. Guess what?? next week like on MONDAY they changed the rule to "AT NO TIME CAN ANY CAR WEIGH LESS THAN THE CLASS MINIMUM" regardless of the equipment used.

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Todd , ..We know...Travis knows.
You might have to go to the Nostalgia section for the answer sometimes LOL

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This makes zero sense. If you have a car with bucket seats you're allowed to put a kirkey type seat in the car. However, if the car came with a bench you're not allowed to change to an OEM bucket or a kirkey type seat. I will never understand their method of thinking or rulings.

Rick

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OK, how about this. 1964 max wedge Savoys came with a bench seat yet the 1964 Hemi Savoys came with lightweight bucket seats.
Can I put the Hemi seats in my Max wedge?

JimR

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I agree with you Jerry. Makes absolutely no sense at all.

I have called NHRA and talked to Pat Crvengros and he said it was Legal to put full size aftermarket aluminum seats in my car. Not some cut down seat he told me that some SS racers tried doing a couple of years ago, but Full sized unholstered seats (Kirkey and others) and both seats had to match. That is the way the rule book reads for Stock and Super Stock word for word.

But nothing surprises me anymore.

RJ

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Hey RJ...I thought you were going to install the bar stools that Teuton offered you with the beverage holder... :)

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I was planning on doing that but they don't have built in headrests and the seat belts were expired. Go figure!!

RJ

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I just heard from a questionable source...this is the legal replacement for bench seats for 2013:

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Wow now thats funny. I herd Kirkey is making a race bench seat ;)

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As long as you stich some cloth on it, you are good!

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I'm having my entire bench seat remade out of carbon fiber and then covering it with lawn chair lacing.......

I tried acid dipping but the springs broke on the first launch and I had to have help getting out of the car.

JimR