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NHRA has announced changes to the CIC system including refinement of the policy concerning permanent index reductions as the result of performance at events with favorable atmospheric conditions termed “Mineshaft Conditions” that was originally introduced prior to the 2011 season. Additionally, in an effort to maintain parity in the eliminator several individual class indexes have been adjusted following an extensive review of performances during the 2012 season.

So NHRA gives Competition Eliminator adjustment for “Mineshaft Conditions” but Stock and Super Stock doesn't get the same consideration [reduction in HP] in same type of conditions !!!!!!! When the “Mineshaft Conditions” cause the "EXTRA" HP to be given.

I am so confused but I could have missed the post about removing HP. Haven't been on here in a while.

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Bobby, it's because they don't care.

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Why doesn't every competitor in stock and super stock email Bruce with the request to do the same as comp???

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I presented a "suggestion" to this effect a couple of years ago. If I remember correctly(?), Bruce was very receptive to it, as was every racer I discussed it with. The powers to be shot it down!!

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Hey Guys
I made a request for this at our SRAC meeting this week. There was no interest.
Unless there was a specific plan on how it would work I don't see it going anywhere.
The plan would require very simple parameters and require no weather stations or additional hardware that they do not already have. It will almost have to be calculated off of the top 10 or 15 quailifers much like the Comp rule, if they go very fast and then the targets changes. The problem with that in STK/SS is, no one goes to the stripe if the air is great and they think they can get triggered. If someone does go to the stripe and everyone else does not he just got triggered.
With these mentioned parameters and the collective knowledge of racer on this site maybe someone can come up with a plan they would except.

Thanks
Mike Crutchfield

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Mark I've found, it isn't that easy. But it can be done

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And in Comp, it's not just your engine combo, it's the whole class.

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For those of you who want this in S/SS my suggestion is build a Comp Car and stop trying to bastardize our class even more !!!

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How about the racer who goes out in these conditions ON KILL ..and goes fast ..
famous last words'" I didn't know it was fast."... COME ON MAN!

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Where's the like button? Thats a classic saying!

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The problem is the guy that goes fast enough to get a hit can usually afford to take the hit.
It's the guy that never gets to run in "mineshaft" conditions that gets hurt from a hit.
They get hit, then can't make the field at Indy or get beat in a heads-up run.
But that's the way it goes.
Anyone can put a car in bracket mode. But if you blow a class win or a heads up race protecting. You should not be racing.

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And if you don't have a lot of guys running your combo the average changes fast. Harder to get back down I would guess.

I sure agree with your last statement. Especially heads ups and class at Indy.

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http://airdensityonline.com/results/...onal%20Raceway That's gotta be worth a tenth if you can get it to hook! -1900' ---Trevor

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In a case like mine (one other car in the class) I can try to control my own fate. I take 1,000 out of each shift point, run a tire that is 2.5" taller. If I mess with the timing much I can't get it to clean out before I stage (that will be worked on a bit shortly) All in all I can knock .035 off, and I'll just lift a bit early. At Reynolds last year I was braking hard at the 1/8 mile. That seemed to give my competition fits. Nothing like crossing the finish line at a blistering 40 mph.
That will do for eliminations and points meets (hopefully I can get a few .036 to .040 unders).
In the class eliminations I'll use as much as I have to. If I draw a hit so be it. I'm not going to worry one bit about it. I spent a couple of races worrying about how fast I was going to go more than if I was going to win or lose. That was one of the most stupid times of my life. I felt like I was putting my hand out the window for the time slip while I was going by the 1/8 mile marker.

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Well anybody that wants to come play in Comp we welcome you. Watch out for that CIC though. As mentioned earlier, at -.61 under you hit it and everyone in your class, regardless of the combo, gets it. Nothing like getting flamed by guys from across the country that are not even in the hunt for a Divisional or National Championship. The real difference is that in Comp the drivers usually, but not always, hit the index when they are trying to win a race or a Divisional/National championship. I have seen some SS/S racers trigger it for no apparent reason. Before you blast me, yes we do have a SS car too. Looking forward to seeing everyone in Pomona.

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The pound per cubic inch SS cars are the same they hit the class index not the combo.

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Gainesville this weekend: 65 daytime 35 nightime sunny. With that comes the barometer. Is that mineshaft? Who is coming? Set a record? Maybe we can get a tailwind too!

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Yes
Me
No
Hope to see you there.

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I put my Goodyears on and flip a switch. LOL
The FAST XFI holds something like four tuneups. I use two, have a switch on my shifter mount plate. Bracket mode is minus ten degrees and plus 20% WOT fuel from 6500 & up.
Doesn't screw with my lights or my leaves.

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Gaineville this weekend .....Nightime lows high 20s to low 30s. Daytime highs Upper 50s to low 60s. Winds - gusty out of the west (Tail). Chance of rain 30%. Sure sounds fast to me! Could be interesting.

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Going to run your car Jim? Miss seeing it out...

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Special Thanks to Craig Marshall, for transporting my racing operation to Gainesville!!!! I'll be there one day to pick it up, get new tires mounted, and buy fresh fuel, however, I haven't seen it since 2011. I'm sure it'll need a bath, serviced, and seatbelts. No racing this weekend....but soon.

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Jim what about those wheels .lol