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How about a division race or at a sportnationals were everyone pledges not to lift or brake on the top end and just run your dial balls out and the best dial wins.I wonder if something like that could ever happen or would racer even have any interest in running a race like that.Just a thought???

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Maybe the Classnationals next year?

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How about at any National Open this year? No AHFS

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there is another way to get rid of the thousand foot qualifers is to make a rule that you can only run a tenth quicker then your best run on the sheet. heads up also.think about it!!!!

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What's the problem with running too the thousand foot????

Joe Mocci

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I have always found it amazing that some racers become upset when a competitor runs to 1000ft and lifts. Why would it matter to them and what negative affect does it have on them??

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For me, the essence of drag racing (and used to be in the rule book) is an acceleration contest over a specified distance (historically defined as 1320 ft). Also many "fans" and a lot of racers sit near the top end.....sandbagging, lifting takes away some enjoyment from those who choose to sit there.....and we wonder where the fans are

I'm not sure the rule book def. is still there, as it's been years since I've looked at one; rules seem to be fluid the past few years, but that's another gripe for another day

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i allways thought that drag racing is 1/4 mile not 1000ft racing.and randall i could not have explained it better.and i don't care if a racer races to the thousand ft i am going to the finish line and lift when i think i am safe.i just made a point on how to put racing back in drag racing.

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Well said Sammy

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That would be impossible at tracks where a lot of wind occurs and for any car not running a V8. I`ve won races where my dial in would vary .2 from one round to the next and it wasn`t from playing games.

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It will never happen. Too much to lose.

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The actual racing in eliminations is run the full 1/4 mile. What gets people upset is when racers lift at 1000 ft. during qualifying. That would not stop even with a no lift division race.

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Well not everyone is 1320' even in heads up eliminations. Plenty of "gentlemen agreements" to shut them down at 1,000'. The cat and mouse games that some find exciting and fun. I think it should not be called racing at that point. The guys who don't play them game punish themselves. So you have 2 choices. Join in or challenge themselves and some would say, preserve their integrity.

I don't hate the players. I hate the game.

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Your either in front or behind no reason to ever be wide open...just sayin

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Philbilly... Spoken like a old bracket racer! And I mean that in a good way!

Ken

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It doesn't matter what the person in the other lane is doing if you cut a light and run your number. The problem sets in when the person in the other lane is hiding the performance of the car so that they "don't get horsepower". This way they have the advantage over another competitor in a heads up race. NHRA should be doing their homework and take the 1/8 mile ET's, MPH and adjust HP to the vehicle from that point of the track, not the 1/4 mile ET, MPH. There would be alot less 1000' racers then, they would have go to the 330' not to show their hand. Good luck on dialing in from the 330' for a 1/4 mile race.

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA STOCK

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that's why if you make the rule that you can only go one tenth faster then your fastest time on the Q sheet even in a head's up race.so at that point a racer would have to show some kind of performance so he don't get burned on a head's up run. that would get rid of the 1000 ft qualifing.

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What's not to say that the drivers of the cars that have to race each other heads up make a deal not to race further then the 1000' so that they don't show the performance of the cars. You have to remember that there are factory cars out there now that aren't even close to their potential as far as HP being added to them. So why not make the deal with the other drivers of the same factory cars? They are in a win win situation, race to the 1000' and lift, no one gets HP. Make them race to the 330' not to get HP would work best.

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock!

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Kinda says it all right there............................

I do not believe that hiding performance is the main reason why racers run to 1000 and lift. The smart ones do it to secure a friendly ladder position. Those racers, more often than not, go deep rounds on Sunday. What happens on Sunday is the reason why we compete.

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Sammy that would not work. On Sunday my car picked up .25 in the eight mile over Saturday night. And I changed nothing.
Except my drawers (LOL), after I saw the time slip.

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it is just an idea something to keep this thread going.years ago everybody ran off of the record with a tenth under break out we all know that was only good for two or three cars in the nation.

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I liked it that way. I won points races a tenth off the record, and was closer to it than anybody else there. Jack Mullins with his big old Pontiac wagon could run under more than often anybody else I knew.

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I think you guys are going about this wrong. Instead of penalizing people, calculating 1000-foot times, or setting more rules, a much more diplomatic approach would be to simple give people motivation to keep their foot on the floor all the way to the 1320 be it points for qualifying or points for records. Instead of the NHRA throwing more rules our way, a points bonus substantial enough will slowly force the professional racers and swinging d*cks to put their name at the top of the sheet or in the records books. The advantages of awarding points for qualifications (and maybe records too) far outweigh the day it will take to write the code in the program that calculates points.

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You can go to an IHRA race and run as fast as you want. They do not have an AHFS system. some of the NHRA guys run real fast when they are at the IHRA events. I run both so I dont favor either HRA. Just a thought. IHRA sure could use the support too.

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i like that mike in the 80's they gave you extra points for low qualifers.

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And for records. We got 2 rounds worth of points for ET records if somebody else held it. One round's worth if bumping your own ET record. We got one round's points for MPH records. Not much reason to set records now, but this way it's less work for tech guys. Every time I tore down for a record it was along side two or three others. Then you had to listen to slower guys in your class grumble about it. :-)

Poor Red and Wesley didn't get to have dinner on time many Saturday evenings. LOL

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What is everyone's problem with the racers (myself included) that don't make a full pass during qualifying? Is it that you can't predict your dial off of the guy who dumps at 1000 ft? Does it make you mad that we can pick up 3 tenths for a heads up run? What's the problem? The last time I looked nobody else (except a few sponsors) pay for anything I put in my car? So I can qualify any way I want! If my opponent red lights or breaks, I can lift if I want to! It's my choice.

When the AHFS came out I was told by a tech official it was my job to slow my car down to NOT get horsepower. So if I want to lift to prevent that, oh well. I can live with myself. I know some diehards disagree, but that's how I race. Sorry if that offends you!

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Bryan , You said it well.

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Seems like too many worry about what others are doing more than they should. For the most part, everyone has a pretty fair idea who can run fast regardless of where that racer ends up on the Q sheet. Just as an example, Dan Fletcher has a very fast stocker, rarely ever shows it but we all know who builds his bullets and you know a guy of his caliber isn't about to let himself be outgunned in a heads up run. It's pretty simple, run your own program the way you want to and quit worrying about how others choose to run theirs. And if you really have to know how fast others in your class run, a subscription to Nitro Joes stats is an excellent tool to have.

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Run your car all out to the finish line. Boy what a unique concept in drag racing. And oh yes, running on the national record instead of some number on the windshield makes things real interesting. When you wake up every Monday morning and look at the national dragster instead of the local news paper to be sure that your record is not changed before heading to the track in a couple of days. Reading this thread, you can bet your paycheck that running off the national record will never come back.

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Running off the national record will not come back, nor should it. That is ancient history.

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That is just perfect sense. Plain and simple.

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Here's another way that the cars could be classed quicker then they are now, give any combo (new car andold) that hasn't been run for 10 years, give them an entry level of factory HP plus 100 HP. Let the new combo's race to get HP off rather then giving them a free trip to the top of the quailifing sheet the way it is now. It is rediculous that the new combo's can bag to the 1000' so they can determine if the combo gets HP or not. NHRA should be do their jobs, that's what we pay for with the membership to NHRA and subscription to ND. Police the classes as much as possible, not take the laid back BS that they are putting out now.
If you look at the Hemi Head thread, here again, NHRA isn't doing what they should be doing. The rules shouldn't be basterized for more power, they should stick to factory specs. and castings.
At the time, Greg Xacalis was a pain in the ***, but looking back, he is what NHRA should be standing for. He was a no BS tech person and if it didn't look right to him, you went home! If you couldn't prove that that is the way the parts came from the factory, he didn't accept it.

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock!

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i think the "no-lift" race is ran on fridays, its called "class run offs".

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Who cares what the guy in the other lane does? All you got to do is be .00 and run the dial. Seems simple to me.

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Just like bracket racing. Oh, I just threw up in my mouth. :-(

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Unfortunately we are glorified bracket cars until it comes time for class or a heads up run

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Aside from a Dial In..that is the only similarity.

We are restricted to rules and have to earn and learn how to run under the index.

Class Racing is a big step up from Bracket Racing.

FWIW time too add foreign makes.

D

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Perhaps I simplified it too much when I called stock and super stock cars glorified bracket cars. I have raced stock the past 10 years and will race super stock also this year. I understand the work and money it takes to make these cars work. I have raced in several different classes ranging from A-P and was always proud when the cars performed well. Call it what you desire, but it is a glorified bracket race with a chance of a heads up. When it comes to Sunday the shoe polish comes out.