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I know how a lot of people do not like having the "NEW" racecars in stock but last weekend the average year for the top 10 qualifiers was 1991. Now yes, some of us will not think thats "old" but to a bunch of us in racing years that is "old".

So I guess my question is, I guess is, Is it that yall dont like the cars because they are extremely fast, yet only 5 of them were in the top ten? And the winner of the race was in a 2001 and runner up was 1980.

Im not really sure why everyone hates these cars in stock. The are sold as factory race cars for stock and super stock.

Guys cant we all just get along!! LOL

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The problem I have is they changed the rules to get them in. If they would allow the real showroom cars with the real showroom engine. Just like was done for 40 years I would be fine with them.

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I don't like them because I can't afford one.

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How can you use qualifying as an example when so many people are playing the ladder and protecting the index?

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You are correct that many do play that game. I looked at the final quilifing sheet and out of the 49 other cars only 12 were 2000 or newer. So there is a 72% chance that you run an older car. If the new car fast guys are "so" dominating wouldnt you think there would be more in the top 10 in quilifing? If you go all the way to the top 20 spots you can only add 1 more car that is newer than 2000.

I think we should just all enjoy the sport of dragracing and stop worring if its a "new car" or "old car". Either way they both still have to be driven by a person. Or as some like to say "robots". LOL

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Speaking of the new cars, I see that Dodge has a 426 Hemi listed for 2013. I guess it is to compete with the 427 Copos and the like. Looks like it is starting out with a little higher HP rating.

I thought there was some talk of Dodge coming out with a blown offering or two for 2013. What happened to that or are they still in the works?

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There is still talk about it! lol There has to be talk of something considering all the 8 sec. runs. We are there but not quite as deep as some of our friendly competitors. lol

Its going to be a fun year for MOPAR I believe.

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If you want to talk statistics,what are the odds that the only two E/SA cars in the field get matched up in the very first round?

-0.964 E/SA J Teuton 4022 4 -0.762 E/SA G Glazener 2324 33

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Look at the Indy qualifying sheet the past three years--they says it all.

I could take a moment to easily explain it, but if someone doesn't "get it" by now--they never will.

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Exactly what I was thinking....and last year it was obvious everybody brought their "A" game.

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Dumb luck? It never would have happened if I hadn't moved up the ladder during Q3.

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At issue is the limited number of newer cars a person can build. The new factory cars are nice but expensive for the average racer. However, there aren't many alternatives. Older' cars ( 60's,70's, even some 80's) cars are just as expensive because they are rare, as are the parts.

Lots of the 80's and 90's cars got caught up in the cash for clunkers are gone. What is left is front wheel drive cars, poor man's alternative.

What we really need is some decent affordable 'rear wheel drive' alternatives from Detroit. Until that happens, we are at least getting something to help promote growth and renew some interest in stock class. Three or four years from now we may get some new blood who can afford the current cars that will have been cast off by then.

There has always been some 'killer' cars popping up in stock over the years, be they older or newer combos (1986 chev pickup?). So let's just race and have some fun. Like it or not I think those new cars are needed for the sport.

Just MHO.

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Just a quick note for you Xxx guys......"I hear".....that there is a fair amount of preparation for testing going on with blowers........there is one thing good about an Autorama .......a lot of bs is thrown around.........the future should be interesting....

CBS

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Joseph, all you have to do is go out and run those things hard a few times, and take the hp hits they deserve. Legit hp ratings=nobody cares what year model they are.
Sandbagging to protect bogus hp factors is what offends people.

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Still hoping you hit the lottery Ed!

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I understand. May I ask if you go out every pass and go all out? If you do I would be willing to bet that you are in the 1% of racers that do. Nobody goes out every pass and runs it out the back door. Know I'm not including the specialty races just talking about NHRA national and divisional races.

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Somebody just needs to pay Chris Holbrook some money to run his all out at a divisional or national, that will bring the fords back to a more realistic rating.

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I don't sand bag. I can hop it up a little for heads ups, but not much. I don't have a great lot of respect for big time sandbaggers.

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Ed, maybe Jeff Dona, Angelo DiTocco and Byron Worner should go out and "run" their cars hard for a few races. I'll bet you wouldn't like that, now would you? :-)

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I would just have to work harder, wouldn't I?

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You're missing the point. There is just as many older combos "bagging" than there is newer combos. You know what's neat about this racing thing? They're available to anyone!

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It seems to be that all the older cars seem to forget that some of their friends race the same way the new cars guy do (sandbag). It's just when the new cars have to face each other the times are too fast for others to comprehend. Times have changes not only for drag racing but all over this great place called earth. As the times change so will everything else. You either roll with the punches or get knocked out. Come on guys we all love to drag race so lets do that rather point fingers. Us new guys just happen to be able to buy a car that has a lot of R&R already done. It's not all done and if we don't bust butt on our cars we will get left behind as some of the older cars are dealing with now. If you don't want to race a new car or if you don't want to spend your hard earned cash we understand that as well. But no matter what car you have it all takes $$$, time, and most of all hard work!!! So lets just get out there and drive the cars we brought to race.

I'm sure many will disagree with me but hey that's what makes this so much fun!

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I think any cool car that is actually raced is pretty cool too. It is always exciting to see heads up runs during eliminations. I know the new cars are ringers as far as factors and I know their are some really fast old cars.
I don't know if I would go so far as to say everyone has a shot at one, but I guess if you have the money, yes I guess so.

All I could think of is that I hope any of the racers with the new cars remember that when they get pounded by an ole Chevy pick up truck at the CIC race in Belle Rose.
I am REAL sure anyone could build one of those. LOL.

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The problem is that some of the brand new cars are so light in the rating that it is even tough to get near them if you have a heads up. When a combo gets 20+ hp and they don't miss a beat in either a heads up or qualifying that's what brings out the opposition. That's all. Alot of the FI 305 Chevys are rated less than a 283 with a 4Jet? Does that make sense? That's a mild mismatch compared to the supercharged new cars that run now. A little competitive balance is all that's needed.

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Sean, have you seen a stocker come over to SS and run 1.1 under, at more MPH that any other real SS cars in that class? I did last week. Would you not have to admit that hp factor was way low? An SS/JA car running 9.88 at almost 136 MPH? Then Jeff Teuton says "It's a Stocker"? It was 1/10th soft in 60', so that would be 9.70s, not "hopped up". I don't know of one single legit old Stocker that can do that, do you? Difference is, those people aren't as afraid to run their stuff hard.
You and I both know there are several others that can do that. I just tuned on one yesterday, difference is they freely call the hp factor bogus.
As I have said before, Ray Charles, in his present condition, could look at the new car engine specs, then the hp factors, and say "No way!"

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Jeff wasn't the one who called it a "stocker"..NHRA did and Jeff (and plenty of others) was the smart one who figured out how to get ahead of the system. ;)

I believe eveyone has questions about the ole faithfull hp factoring system but some, instead of complaining about either race what they have or figure out what needs to be done to get to a class were they can get ahead of the system. The new cars are ahead of the system at the moment but as history does they will then be over factored and over rated and something new will be under factored and so on and so on!

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We're you there? Evidently not.
It wasn't Jeff's car, and it WAS Jeff that told me it is really a stocker.

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Calm down..I'm just messing with.

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[QUOTE=Sean Cour;372912] They're available to anyone!

What a concept. You forgot to mention the fact that only applies to anyone that's got roughly $100,000 laying around with nothing better to spend it on.

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If you are willing to write the check, it is the Easy Button. It's going to be a few years before most get enough HP to have to start thrashing headers, converters, camshafts, shocks, etc, to pick them up to be competitive in class or heads-ups.

I'm not near fast enough, and have three sets of headers (need another), three intake manifolds, five camshafts, had three converters, three transmissions (different ratios) and need to test one more rear gear. I can go 1.05 under in the heat if I need to, and am dead meat in a heads-up against one of those things. Probably against Gary Emmons too. LOL

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[quote=Jim Kaekel;372966]****

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[quote=Sean Cour;372984]I just got Four Stars....thank you very much!

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I wonder how much a really trick 1970 442 Stocker would cost if I started building one today?

(Don't forget to include the price of a real 442 that is in at least very good condition)

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I guess it's like when you see someone at the supermarket buying steak and shrimp on food stamp cards and paying for all their beer and cigs with their own money, then getting into their Beamer in the front row handy capped spot (even though clearly they are not handy capped). Some people will applaud them for gaming the system, others will call them no good pieces of crap. I don't care what they do either way. I wasn't brought up like that, and I'm certainly not teaching my kids to live like that. We are all free to live and race the way we think is correct. I believe that sandbagging a half a second when "we haven't even pulled the valve covers off yet" is just like the food stamp Beamer driver, but I'm not going to call you a no good piece of crap because I don't agree with your stance on it.

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I like it!

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There's a difference between running an extra quart of oil and 50 lbs versus only running on 2 barrels of a 4 barrel throttle body

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Believe it or not, I originally paid $300.00 for my car. That was back in '81 and I've put plenty of good, old fashioned hard work into it since then. Of course in today's "instant gratification" society and courtesy of NHRA, you can now literally buy a turn-key race car..... if you have the funds.

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I guess I missed the statement that I made that said I sided with either side. But as mentioned before, Im not the brightest lightbulb in the lamp. I just dont understand how people can choose a car that is in the rule books and everyone has a problem with it. The new cars dont complain about having to wait at the tree for over 4 seconds at times.

Im also not sure how you can compair people getting over on the goverment and people who have found the area of a rule book that works for them. Usually the ones parking in the handicap spots, drive the benz's, and do the other stuff you listed are also one's complaing when their check that they say is "owed" to them is a day late. They also complain because some one else is doing better than them in life and they arent treated fair. This list could go one. Last I checked we ("new car guys that is") do not get anything from the goverment, nor do we expect people to just give us everything. We work just as hard at our jobs as we do on our race cars so we have CASH to buy whatever we need. We don't need a hand out.

Honestly you can call me whatever you like. If its wasnt in the rule books then we wouldnt be racing it. Im not going to get in a pissing match about how i was raised and yadda-yadda. We are not cheating, we are playing by the guidlines we ALL were giving. Yall choose to race what yall want and so do we.

Dont worry Hagan im not going to call you names or try to bash you. Glad to see your out racing again this year! Good Luck

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Nobody has any problems with how much money somebody else has, just the bogus low hp factors. That is NHRA's doing. Not yours. Doesn't make anybody like to race new cars heads up any better.

Btw, Jeff is one of my absolute favorite people to visit with at the track. Really good guy.