What's with the hood...
 

...on a basic 289 4bbl. car?

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCPh...64909#indextop

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Must be a Cyclone. 289-271hp

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Would not be running in SS/M with that much power 271. Mite just be the paint job go Waters pics from last week has a side shot of the car, nice paint job. Tom

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Harry is right, Cyclone Caliente with the standard 289, 210 hp. There is one sitting in my country, just looked at it 2 weeks ago, rotting away. The guy won't sell it. Sad!

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Curt Rees

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Right about what? It looks like a Crites aftermarket fiberglas hood to me

http://tiptopwebsite.com/websites/in...olson43&page=5

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Mark,

The hood design is correct, that is what I was referencing. The car I looked at has the same type of hood, don't know if it is fiberglass.

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Curt Rees

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I had a friend in high school that had one of those cars with that hood. It was fiberglass. Dad hade a Mercury dealership. Don't know what option box you had to check to get it.

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I've never seen one ..There were a few A/FX cars built, kinda like the Thunderbolt.
I'd still like to see an original car and part #

Mike, maybe your friend had an A/FX hood bought over the counter.

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fwiw, the 67 cyclones had a similar hood and it was oem fiberglass...390 cars, i beleive.

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I believe that hood was available in 64 on the Cyclone. There is one on E-bay now and I wrote the owner this morning and he says it is fiberglass. Good pics on E-bay of the bottom of the hood.

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I hate to inform you but this is another NHRA tech deal if this is indeed a Super Stock car. This hood only came later on the 1964 A/FX 427 Comet Calientes (sp?) after Mercury found out they flowed more air to the carbs than the T-Bolt style hood scoop. Ronnie Sox recieved the first of the new style hoods. The early 1964 A/FX Comets had the T-Bolt style hood. All were fiberglass in 64 and 65 ! More NHRA stupidity. Even the 64 289/271 cars (very very few made) had the standard steel hood. The 289/271 engines cars that were not B/FX in 1965 were more plentiful yet still had the standard steel hood.
The rest of you are smoking some good stuff as Mark Y is 1000 % correct. The same style hood scoop came on the 1965 A/FX cars on the Cyclone body. They also came on the 1965 B/FX Cyclones with the 289's. Just another NHRA "BJ". The Super Stocker in the picture is bogus yet NHRA seems to allowed it.

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Probably need a FoMoCo historian on this one, but I seem to remember that the hood was made available on Caliente models only to commemorate the East African Safari deal. Base engine on the Caliente was a 6-banger so I doubt it was considered a real performance option. The question is whether or not it was cosmetic or really a fresh air service as it was installed on production cars.

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A friend still has the hood from his old Caliente in the rafters of his garage. It was a small block car and the hood was factory installed and fibreglass. I don't recall the year of his car offhand though.

If I recall correctly, a recent Hemmings Musclecar issue featured a restored Comet with this hood and it was documented as factory. I'll have a look for it when I get home.

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I think that x-tech man is correct. I think you could get it as an dealer installed option from ford. have to check my micro fishe at work but seems like the only hood listed is the flat hood with no scoops.

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Its hard to read the class on the windshield in the picture posted by Mark but if its SS/M then the engine is the factory 289/210 HP combo. That hood for that combo is BOGUS except some tech guy allowed it like so many other BS deals over the past several years within NHRA. Good eye Mark. You should work tech for NHRA.

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I know the 271hp Mustang just came with the normal flat steel hood. Good friend had one new. Best I remember, the only way you could tell it was a 271 was when it started up.

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This car was parked next to me in Gainesville and it's very nice as is the owner Dick Lux. The car is SS/M with a 289 , He bought the car 7 or 8 years ago from a long time NHRA racer . From what he told me the cars has raced NHRA for a very long time with at least 4 or 5 owners . He stated he had the 427 engine for the car but because of health reason he ran the 289 .

I dont think he is bogus nor is the car . He just a guy that loves God , Fords and Racing and I thought was a true gentleman . I think he also celebrated his birthday at the track racing and he seemed to have a lot of other racers and friends enjoying it with him .

The hood on this car is fine , no one at the races had a complaint lets leave it at that .

Oh by the way he is a older man banging a 4 speed and doing a great job of it . If you dont race the event stay out of it , if it really bother you show up and protest it . My bet is if you do the car will pass and you will look like a A** . I have seen this car at a lot of D1 and D2 races as well as national events

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Don't know if this is the same car that Mike Cates raced in 2011 but Mike's car had the flat hood on it and also ran SS/M.
Bob R

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Probably been down track more than most cars.Did belong to Mike Cates.. D Lux is a gentleman and a friend. Red LeBlanc. Just My two cents.

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This thread is sort of like the car in Div.3,a rambler American,that had the 1969
S/CRambler hood scoop.Last I remember he was allowed to run it because it wasn't functional.
IIRC NHRA gave Artie L. some crap about the fender "scoops" on his car a while back.
Kind of a harsh criticism eh Bo? Mark is a way bit more than a casual observer.

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OK......Since he is a nice guy, let him run any hood that he wants to......If he is a jerk he should be made to run the legal hood.....

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Ed , lets just say this . There are cars being claimed as model year but its really a different model year and that happens every day in NHRA by old cars and new cars . Some cars run with the hoods up a inch at the rear ( corvette's) no body says a thing . There is not a car racing nhra that is 100% right new or old . My point is leave this guy alone and let him race the car the way NHRA has been teching it in for a long time .

I never said anyone was a casual observer , what I said was if you dont like it go to the race and protest it

Ed , check you pm

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Neil , the rule I follow at NHRA is this , if they say something is wrong with my car I change it to what the say and that's it end of story . If they say everything is fine I race it the way it is

If NHRA had told Mr Lux the hood was wrong he would not be running it no matter if he was a good guy or a bad guy .

The point is the car passes tech , and has been passing tech for a long time

In my opinon Mr Lux seems like a real good guy .

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Here is a picture of a 64 AFX car with the hood on it

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Here is one for sale , I think thats a small block in it

http://cars.trovit.com/index.php/cod...ferer_id.1/t.1

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Neat cars, but what does that have to do with the original subject?
I showed you where to get aftermarket hoods in my second post.

Look , I don't care about this stuff if you guys don't. I'm just pointing out the bogus stuff I've seen.

Wrong hoods on base 4bbl. Comets,
AAR 340 6 bbl hoods on 440/ 6 bbl cars.
1st gen Firebirds with base 400 engines and open hood scoops,
Aluminum intakes on Fords that never ever came with them...

Turn it into Bracket II or Nostalgia Super /Stock if you want to. It won't affect me.
I 'm not protesting anybody (good guys not withstanding) I'm sure this stuff has been okayed or overlooked by somebody at NHRA.
I just wonder who okays all this bogus crap.
I have my suspicions...

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Here is one...Is it legal to claim a ford cleveland and run aftermarket svo block with cleveland heads, jesel belt drive...etc.

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Rich,

Yes. There was an approved block with Cleveland mains and deck height, but I no longer see it on the NHRA approved list. However there is most likely a LETTER, which I'd like to see as I'd like to run one.

Jerry

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I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. As far as I remember that hood was NEVER available as a production piece, only thru the A/FX program or dealer option. I also don't recall the HP 271 available in Comets. In fact, don't remember the 225hp engine either.

That might explain why recently saw a GT350 clone running SS/LA (glass hood w scoop). That package was only avail with 271 not 210. I'm guessing NHRA will throw away the class car guide any time now.

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Shelby is 289/306 not 289/271.

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This stuff just gives me a good laugh. With all of the good racing going on and we get another thread about some poor joe who has a hood that don't look right. I have been left out of super stock racing over the last few years over this same thing. My hood on a 340 Duster is not right. Please, help me understand how a hood, which never did much even back in those days is such a heartburn.

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Mr. Lux is a great guy. I can't imagine Dick trying to cheat on anything. I had clutch problems at a race one year and Dick walked in my trailer and said here put mine in and see what happens. I didnt even ask him. My .02

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Sorry Jeff, couldn't remember if the R was 306. Just couldn't believe a 210 motor was being run with that body.

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It's a fresh air hood, and probably worth 2 tenths or more in good air. 30 years ago tech would not only toss you at the gate, you'd have others laughing for trying. I swear it's nothing against Dick Lux, in fact he's gonna make NHRA tech dept look like bigger buffoons than they already are.

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I can not imagine 2/10ths. I have taped over the scoops on my Trans Am "Ram Air" hood and it does not care. Runs exactly the same. That's why I find the "flat hood" and "Ram Air hood" HP factors being different for some LS1 engines being different kinda funny.

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I'm a Ford guy and I love Lux's Comet but.....If a Nova or Camaro racer showed up with a cowl hood on a combo that wasn't offered would no one complain?

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[QUOTE=boster;From what he told me the cars has raced NHRA for a very long time with at least 4 or 5 owners . He stated he had the 427 engine for the car but because of health reason he ran the 289 .
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He might have "A 427 at home" but the only way you can put an FE engine in a 64 or 65 Comet is to cut the shock towers completly out and plate over the hole left in the fender panel as the way the out sourcing compamies like Dearborn Steel Tubing did on the T-Bolts. Also a little known fact is the REAL A/FX 64 Comets had the firewall move back a slight amount to provide clearence for the 427 FE engines. This wasnt done on the T-Bolts. This shock tower treatment HAD to be done on the 427 T-Bolts and FX Comets if you wanted to run headers and change the spark plugs. Maybe he was going to put the 427 in the trunk? Dosent matter to me one way or the other as I think the hood LOOKS cool but the subject of the thread is "Thats not the way they came" and the hood is supposed to be steel.....not fiberglass. Good guy or not ! Maybe the scoop holes were added and placed into a steel hood ? A good body man can do wonders for looks. Like I said I dont care one way or the other but Im stating the facts. If you dont believe me ask Travis Miller.....not one of the west coast guys. Maybe Wesley will say someting next time you see him. I may be a bit older than Travis but he knows his Fords and is probibly the best tech guy NHRA still has. I worked with Marty Barrett and Greg X. in the old days and those guys knew their stuff and tought me a lot. Travis is an old fart like me and I lived thru that era and knew Ronnine Sox AND "Dyno" Don very well. We had many late evening BS sessions on their old cars and some of the "Tricks" they used to do before they passed away. I have LOTS of "Dyno" Don stories I could tell.

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If it's illegal then when Dick goes to the next race your at put the money up and protest him. Dick's a big boy he can take it.

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Look under auto imagery, Mr Lux has been running that hood for a while now