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Back when there were rules and they were inforced it was a feat just to pass tech at a NHRA sanctioned event. Lets hear some of the things you had to fix or were even DQED for. I'll start it off with just a few #1- No rubber seal at the rear of the hood ( Farmer ) #2- Trimmed rubber seal at the rear of the hood ( Farmer -- (didn't like that either )-- #3- 1/4 "spacer under front sway bar mounts ( Skip Asay )-- #4-- Alternator belt too loose after run ( DQ ) #5- Slicks were 7 1/4 " wide after run (DQ) #6- 1 degree too much overlap when measured with tape around balancer and a ruler ( Greg X (DQ)-- #7- 2 lbs. too much on the seat 86 instead of 84 lbs. ( Beadle ) (DQ)-- #8- Clutch fan instead of straight fan ( Greg X )

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What year did the valvespring rule change?

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Todd, Can't remember the exact year but it's when we became Jr. S/Stockers. I used to charge $1800.00 for a record capable motor and used 90% of the parts that came it, now I can't do one for less than $10,000 and you can forget about a record. All that extra expense and the payout is about the same. Funny part is when we were a second slower the competition was just as fierce. It's all relative.

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My buddy Bobby Dee Myers got busted by Mr.Farmer at Indy one year for having his headlamp bulbs tinted green.He told him " son dont bring that thing back up here till those bulbs look stock"

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No speedo cable, Red Anderson, no weather seals on doors (3rd day from the paint shop) Red Anderson. See a pattern here? LOL

I figured "Wow! Guess my junk had better be right." That 's OK, I knew everybody else was too.

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Was told by Red Anderson to put passenger side sun visor on and arm rests on by the next race. 3 weeks later Wesley teched me in and imformed me that a 150 1955 chevy only came with a driver's side sun visor and no arm rests and I had to take them off.

Greg

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LOL !! Now that hits home LOL !!

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I will say this, I am glad those days are gone forever.

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First NHRA WCS race we went to.....
1966 Englishtown.....
Greg X

'57 Chevy sedan delivery

Missing chrome trim on the tail fins
Missing hood chrome trim parts
Bumper trim pieces missing.....can't recall what parts on the hood and bumper....
Too much clearance around the Stahl headers.....you were allowed 2 fingers....no more

Went down the road to a junkyard....got what we needed and made some patch pieces for around the headers....and raced.

R/UP at Indy....same year. ClassWinner tossed....and so were we for the same reason....replacement cam not accepted by NHRA yet.....A few weeks or a month later we got a letter from NHRA.....Cam was now ok.....Greg X and Marty Barret......in the barn at Indy and the 2 of them got into a mini arguement over what carb was legal and what wasn't. We were already out for the cam and I just wanted to get the H out of there.....It was late and we were the last car in and out.....and it had been a very bad day as a local racer from my home track had been killed in an acident....


Englishtown WCS event a few years later.....
Rumors were out that the exhaust system rule was dropped......
We removed the mufflers and tailpipes on the second car we built.....
WRONG....Drove down the road to a garage that is still there and fixed the car to meet the rule......on the mans lift.....

I went right by there today on the way to E-town.......had to get my current car a fresh chassis sticker....

The worst one to me was at York in 1970 we set the H/S record and would easily have had both ends and the MPH by a ton that day....

Cars were weighed without the driver......and the car was over the minimum but Greg made us drain the fuel out of the tank and see if we had more than 5 gallons.....we did....He did not like that and said go put a spare in it and disallowed our first run.....We again set both ends of the record but were not given a backup.....ran out of time.....

The driver of the car weighed 200lbs so what was the point of this.....
Well the point was you did what Greg said ...and that was it.

We set the record later that year and Greg did the teardown and was very fair and helpfull.......

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Set the record at New England Dragway wcs in the 198? , fan belt too loose

2lbs too much valvespring pressure at Indy after winning class

4GC carb butterfly screws too short, after setting the record at englishtown

Had a similiar situation as rich b, e'town summer nats, probably the first national I raced at, 1974 or 75, tech inspector turned my card over and wrote the infractions to be fixed

1. wrong emblem on the glovebox
2. door bumper trim needed both sides of car(66nova)
3. small holes in the bottom of the doors(they were ss trim holes and I was claiming a regular nova) need to be filled in
4. looked under the dash with the hood open and he could see light, fill holes in firewall

I too went to the junkyard and got trim etc and fixed all of it.

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Warner Robins points meet 1976 or 1977 the late John B. Two degrees too much overlap with the tried and true masking tape,felt tip and a Lufkin ruler method. Strange part being the cam had passed with flying colors once before doing it the dial indicator degree wheel way. Oh well that was drag racing. Sure do miss it.

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BTW Our Reher Morrison engine was $1900 in 1974, manifold to pan and they supplied everything.

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Ran a race at Atco in 1978 ish. Had a bolt in roll bar with the factory lap belts in my 68 Mustang. Busted in tech, was told I needed a 4 or 5 point (I forgot which) harness with that roll bar, fail tech. Went to the pits and removed the roll bar from the car, back to tech and passed no issues. Never did understand that one.

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1971 Nationals, Farmer would not let me run my 1969 Roadrunner....He claimed that I should have side lights and not reflectors. (Note: 69's have reflectors and 68's have side lights)............He wouldn't believe me........Finally, I went back to the pits and found the build sheet that indicated side reflectors and he let me run...........WTF..........as if reflectors versus side lights would make a difference....LOL

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In the seventies.
Multiple times they would write on the back of the tech card.
Wash Car.
Once at Bowling Green. Had wire cable wrapped inside spare tire (total weight was 80 pounds).
Once at Englishtown. Lead in the muffler each one weighed about 100 pounds.
In about 2000
Once at Maple Grove, for to little compression (dumb ***** tech people)

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I was very young and not racing at the time,but I remember something about a 6 point roll bar as being illegal in Stock.My Dad had to take a hacksaw and cut the bar on the passenger side so it wasn't attached in order to pass tech.This was quite a few years ago,so I don't remember the whole story.

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Gators in the mid 80'. Chuck Nelson working the scale. After 1st round pulled up and weight ok. Other NHRA worker (Dave Danis spelling maybe off.. )with Chuck said we haven't took a Div. 4 car yet. Chuck said take me,he's will past. LOL valve spring tester was off. Got kicked out. Thanks to Red Anderson who fixed the valve spring tester. After 3rd teared down. Gary Russel was sitting in at a pizza restaurant in (Ohio) when I went to tear down. Before he finished eating I came back by, Gary said ( I think Mike Walters) who he was eating with, Bobby got kicked again. Well not true Dave came over and said I just need a valve spring if you can get it off without taking the head off. Hell I will give it a try. LOL Back in the day will digitnal spring tester. Stories an memories. That is all we have..

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One time at Atco. We set the B/SA record. And the scales were light (40 to 50 pounds)
So we put some tools under the seats to make weight. The tech guy looked and found them. He handed them to my partner who handed them to me over the roof. I put them back in the car. We pushed the car back on the scales it weighed 5 pounds more. They scratched their heads and waved us on.

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Kept them busy, didn't ya Artie? LOL

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Now that is funny......

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[QUOTE=Rich Biebel;373630]First NHRA WCS race we went to.....
1966 Englishtown.....
Greg X
'57 Chevy sedan delivery
Missing chrome trim on the tail fins
Missing hood chrome trim parts
Bumper trim pieces missing.....can't recall what parts on the hood and bumper....
Too much clearance around the Stahl headers.....you were allowed 2 fingers....no more
Went down the road to a junkyard....got what we needed and made some patch pieces for around the headers....and raced.>

Try and find a junkyard with old car parts today?!?

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No cardboard liner in the glove box ( Gutting) Small bolt holes in the firewall, Short wheel studs ( they came through the wheel but not the long nuts), They didn't have a 283 engined1966 Malibu SS in their book even though it was a factory 283 car. No helmet, you didn't need one in 1975 but NJ had different ideas ( no one told me).

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If my memory serves me right, the Emmons Triplets with their Texas drivers license at 15 years old went to Englishtown and was told by authories that you need to be 16 to drive in N.J.

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First NHRA race I ever attended was in Houston. I pull up to tech and Wesley says nice to meet you finally wrong trim on your trunk lol. Then he says pull over to the side and get a chassis sticker. Harold says to thin load it up. Wesley took me in the trailer pulls out the book and says go borrow a 4gc put it on (I was running a 327/275 w/qjet) add 175lbs and run GT/H. So we did. Can ran like s... all weekend. Found out the carb I borrowed was messed up and was only running on 2 barrels. Don't work on a 327 like it does on a cobra jet. LOL

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Since all the "Old" tech men are gone I'll tell all.
Tossed back in the old NHRA days. Rear spoiler off a 69 Z-28. Ran more MPH that way.
They missed the drum brakes on the front that were about 14 lbs per side less weight than the discs. They also missed the door crash bars that took weight out. So I put the spoiler back on. I think they found the obvious and quit looking.
Modern times: Tossed for 1/4 in too much variation in wheel base. (Saved my A**, too--front strut failing)
Back in the old IHRA days they missed the 200 lbs of sand I had bagged up under the back seat of the Z-28. Couldn't understand why a car without a roll bar weighed so much. Told them it was the crash bars they put in the 69's doors. Glad they didn't see the 4 of us putting the seat in or they to sit on it..
It was common place to qualify light in Modified and put SBC valve covers filled with lead (approx 44 lbs ea) in the floorboard. Harold even opend the door and looked at them once. We even did the heavy spare tire deal, too, Funny how heavy that solid push bar was, too. One time at Hallsville they had us line up behind the scales and weigh before the runs, then after. Interesting how our car gained weight without going to the pits and under the watchful eye of two of Div 4 best.. I'm not telling on that one! I remember a female that ran Comp that got caught with some heavy driving pants. I think they got heavy when she got in the tow truck after the run, before the scales. The joke, or truth, ?? was that Wesley ask her for her pants... LOL!
See Art you weren't the only one that was creative. You just got caught!!
OK, Dwight... Let's hear about yours. I bet you have 2 pages worth...

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Adger and Artie have more nerve than I. Dang! LOL

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Ed,
That was way back in the O L D Days when I was young and had to be "creative" to stay up with the "OLD" guys that were even more "crafty". Just like Artie, today...I can here him chuckle when he reads this... LOL!

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67Camaro-- put clear plastic in the openings behind the front valance below the bumper-- removed the outer front bumper brackets--removed all non essential hood brackets/braces---filled in the panel in front of the windshield where the wipers come thru BUT we but in Chrome plugs where the holes were supposed to be replaced every single bolt & screw I could with ALUMINUM bolts instead of steel bolts on the entire car---used 68 Chevy II 4 cylinder radiator- aluminum water pump from an Army personell carrier before they were legal--removed the back 1/4 window regulators ---removed the rear seat and when we carpeted the backrest rest area we made 2 panels put our weight box in between them ----1/2 plate steel gas tank shield between the top of the tank and the trunk floor---used a Vega gas tank smaller/narrower but still looks like the Camaro tank--removed absolutely everything under the dash that we did not need--had a 150 pound spare tire (courtesy of Butch Leal)--went thru tech numerous times and the only thing we ever got caught on was the outer bumper brackets and eventually the plastic behind the grille and in the lower valence panel-----this Car could weigh as little as 2795 and as much as 3600 pounds---Wesley/Pappy/Valentine/Gibbs/ Barrett/ Daniels/Danish all checked this car at one time or another

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Dick, you need to loan Artie your " Honest Abe Poker Face" so he can get by tech.

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Art, Mike Smith used to tell me stories about you and Tex. Tex told him, "You'd need a falk lift ta get that rear bumper off". I can still see Mike laughing about that one.

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This didn't have anything to do with class racing. But back in the seventies.
A certain street race car was supposed to race someone at West Hampton Long Island. Drag Strip. The deal was to go in the track first weigh the car then race.
The car was way lighter than they said so the guys took a NYC manhole cover and put it in the trunk. Then dumped it on the return road. So they could put it in after the race.
I went to that track in the 90's and the manhole cover was still there.

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Hey Art, remember that old rotted Buick Wildcat that ran in the nines, wonder what was in it. Do you have any pics of your old 65 Dart with the 413.

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i remember in the old days with my 68 chevelle at green valley i pulled in to tech line and red was teching cars he teched all the cars but me. finally red came over to me and said pizzolatti is what he used to call me had to love him. if you want me to tach your car you better go change your tee shirt.i had on a KAWASAKI motorcycle shirt. i said red what's wrong is it too dirty.he said in a mad way when i was in the war i had to fight to many of them.so if you want to race today go change that shirt. so i changed my shirt an we became friends after that. RIP my friend.

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E-Town Early 70'S With Greg X. Z-28 emblems on a SS/D 427 Camero. Now you can probably run a 427 and claim it's a 302.

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I loved Red. Scared to death of him until I got to know him. He mistook my '56 wagon for a same color blue '55 wagon from Arkansas he caught the year before with a 283". Man, he put through the ringer for a while. When he learned I was not them, he got OK. Still a while before I ever saw him smile. Got to where he would compliment something I had done. I think he was great.

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Back 'in the day', Stockers had to have the windshield wipers. The rules didn't specify that they had to be on the car, only that they had to be there. Most guys tossed 'em in the trunk or in the back seat area.

I bounced this guy at a Div. 5 Points race in Brainerd. At least he the wiper blades........(grin)

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The first National event I went to with my 1968 Mustang SS/FA that I got from Hubert Platt was Pomona 1970. I won class and was off .002 deck height on # 1 cylinder. This was back when you could pick which cylinder to check and I said # 1 because it was easy to get to. It was the only one that would not pass. We went back to Fl without putting it back together fixed it and went faster at the first Gatornationals. I bought a 1969 Mustang shell from Hubert that had been a Boss 302 test car. In 1971 I race at Indy, and the Grandnationals and than was going through tech at the World Finals and they said my car wasn't legal because there were no quarter panel scoops and they wanted me to install scoops before I could race. All 69 Mustangs had the scoops except the Boss 302. My division tech director finally convinced them to let me race but they said don't come to Pomona without the scoops. I installed the scoops and when I went to Pomona I was running .2 under the record and I went to Jerry Valentine and said thanks I picked up .2 because the scoops gave me more down force.

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[QUOTE=art leong;373654]In the seventies.
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Once at Bowling Green. Had wire cable wrapped inside spare tire (total weight was 80 pounds).


Artie - You and Tex were thrown out because the "Steel Belted Radial" hadn't been invented yet ...........

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I always enjoyed listening to how things were back in the day. I like talking to Jim Wilson about when he was racing in his younger days.

Its amazing how different things are but yet how similar a lot of things are. The more things change the more they stay the same.

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I remember that Bobby...at 1984/85 Springnationals. Me, Gary & Nicki, Bobby & Janine Griffith, and Jim Griffith. We passed you on I-70 on your way back. I think Bobby actually said "He had to pass this time?" LOL......Your car was red and you had the ramp truck.

My first teardown experience was at the same place (Mayo's AAmco transmission in Reynoldsburg) with Gary Russell. It was us, Matt Rover, and Howard & Greg Stanfield. Upon dis-assembling Gary's Q-jet, Dave Danish noticed a small baffle on the floor of the float bowl made out of the top of a Sucrets box. (Leroy Hoaglin did the carb) All Dave told Gary is to take it out.

We all ate pizza that night too.