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Joe DeMarzo 03-22-2013 09:31 PM

2 barrel analysis question
 
How does the Chevy 350 " 70 2 barrel at 1686 X 1375 compare to the "72 2 barrel at 1686 X 1260?

Is there a significant difference?

How about how much slower is the 2B to a 4B?

Thanks.

Lee Valentine 03-23-2013 07:05 AM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Joe, stick with the Q- Jet mileage won't be that much better with the 2 bbl. See you soon spring is coming I promise. Lee.

danny waters sr 03-23-2013 07:40 AM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Don't know about the 350 , but my 283 was a turtle with a 2bbl...

Everyone told me it would ,but i had to see for myself..........
One day wasted with that project.............

Billy Nees 03-23-2013 08:13 AM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Joe, there's a pretty big difference between the 2bbl that NHRA "accepts" on the 70 and the 71-72 2bbl. There's also major differences in the 70 and 72 engines if that's what you're looking at.
Give or take about a tenth one way or the other, you'll slow down a second.
Danny, the 2bbl that you had to use on the 283 is a small base 2g(same as my 307) and they're pretty horrible mainly because the top of the carb is so restricted. The 350s used a wide base 2g. There's one 283 stick Chevy II that did set a record with one though!

Tony Curcio 03-23-2013 04:47 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
I have two experiences with the "big" two barrel.

In 2004 we compared Q-Jet vs 2 bbl on our 255-350 that was set up for IHRA pure stock at the time. It was a stick shift, with the mandated stock valve spring pressure and stock duration cam. The 2 bbl slowed it about .55 and it was further under the index, by about .15. We didn't need a rev limiter for either combo, it couldn't spin high enough to hurt itself.

Two years later, same car with a modern NHRA stocker engine and an automatic. This time the Q-Jet was further under the index by about .30 or more. As the difference between H/SA and M/SA is .70, this must mean it slowed 1.00 that day, although in my mind it was worse.

The 2 bbl was going through the traps at 5700, the 4 bbl at around 7000+. Changing the gears and converter probably would have helped, but we decided not to pursue it any farther.

Lee Valentine 03-23-2013 05:24 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
I really think you guys are missing the point, Joe went from a big block to a small block then he read the post on cost per run and says to himself I have to go 2 bbl. I'll save on race gas. I'll be Angelo agrees with me.

Joe DeMarzo 03-23-2013 06:20 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Lee you are killing me.... I am laughing hard.

Thanks for the analysis.

So it would be a bad move I am guessing in '72 350/200.

James Perrone 03-23-2013 06:28 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Lee you think of everything...lol...

Dennis P Chapman 03-23-2013 06:44 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe DeMarzo (Post 374755)
Lee you are killing me.... I am laughing hard.

Thanks for the analysis.

So it would be a bad move I am guessing in '72 350/200.

Joe.......Back away from the car seat down have a cigar the snow will go away.

Steve Calabro 03-23-2013 06:58 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Must be hanging out with Joe Zoom to much!:D At least Zoom has an enclosed trailer! LOL

Tom Meyer 03-23-2013 07:11 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Mike town has been runnig the two barrel stuff on his 350 SS stuff for a long time now and runnig very good I mite add. Mike his son Jeff and Tony Shaffer are all on 2 barrels, try getting a hold of him. Tom

SCOTT TILLEY 03-24-2013 04:29 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
What is the rule on carb spacers in stock? What are they in SS? There is a lot to be found in working on 2 bbl spacers and adapters. I run a 2 bbl in IHRA SS Production. Been working with the Holley 2 bbl's for a long time. I'm sure the 2GC's are different but working with how the air/fuel comes out from the base plate into the manifold can net substantial gains.

Thanks
Scott Tilley
IHRA SS/PDAII

Dave Ribeiro 03-24-2013 09:36 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Scott , you have a PM....

Bench Racer 03-24-2013 10:04 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Tom, do you have any additional info on the 2 bbl. cars you mentioned? I was at Indy 6 or 8 years ago and talked with a guy about a Superstock car that (was I think a 350) ran a 2bbl. Anything that is unusual, thinking out of the box, or what most would call an "odd ball" combo always gets my attention and vote lol, so i was hooked. The owner told me that the car was not as aerodynamic as most ( I think it was a malibu or a late model cutlass body) and was not efficent at the upper MPH, but with the 2 bbl. combo it ran pretty well. Could this be who you were talking about? Thanks, Don Jackson

Robert Simpson 03-24-2013 11:01 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
I am interested in a 2bbl carb and intake for a 69 chevy 350/250hp combo. If anyone has anything let me know.

G Anderson 03-26-2013 05:41 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
I Have a "313" "Canadian" intake for sale $125 + shipping if anyone is interested Greg (563)357-6124

Dan Fahey 03-26-2013 11:33 PM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Simpson (Post 374982)
I am interested in a 2bbl carb and intake for a 69 chevy 350/250hp combo. If anyone has anything let me know.

I ran 2bbl in Stock in late 70's with a 1969 Impala in O/SA, ran a few 13.90's before switching to Qjet. Which ran a 13.17 best at the time.
Did not get into the 12's and running well under the index until buying a Woodroo Engine and in hot Florida weaher.

But WALee(think it was him) ran O/SA in a 69 Malibu Wagon and ran as well as 12.90 with the 2bbl. Seemed to be consistent and won several races.

Still have the 2bbl and Intake manifold and considering O/SA again until a new Roll Bar is added.

Robert Simpson 03-27-2013 11:13 AM

Re: 2 barrel analysis question
 
Scott, did you get my PM?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCOTT TILLEY (Post 374909)
What is the rule on carb spacers in stock? What are they in SS? There is a lot to be found in working on 2 bbl spacers and adapters. I run a 2 bbl in IHRA SS Production. Been working with the Holley 2 bbl's for a long time. I'm sure the 2GC's are different but working with how the air/fuel comes out from the base plate into the manifold can net substantial gains.

Thanks
Scott Tilley
IHRA SS/PDAII



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