AMC 66-72 optional specs removed
 

I received this info yesterday from NHRA....

"AMC 66-72 removed optional cam, carb, and intake as they were a dealer option not a factory option."

For verification go to www.NHRARacer.com and check the Engine Specs and see that the optional carb, intake and camshaft has been removed effective 4/16/13. They are no longer on the engine spec sheet and will no longer be allowed in Stock or S/S.

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Now if NHRA would only fix all the Ford FE stuff: crank, rods, carbs, cam, and intake.

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This reminds me of the recent hemi head saga. You'd think NHRA would FULLY investigate a request, make a decision based on ALL the pertinent information, and then stick by it. Flopping back and forth on an issue does nothing for their credibility and costs racers money for no reason.

The only guys to benefit from this one were the guys on eBay that were selling those old AMC/Edelbrock intakes, for a while the value of their junk soared!

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Who do you suppose was jealous enough to focus on the AMC? Only one or two in the country. To quote famous Tech men, "Its all dial in anyway". Anyone know if the bogus specs on 400 chevy changed yet? Any one know if the HP of the 71 Vette has been reduced to correlate with losing the Cold Air hood yet? Answers probably all NO. Just a case of attention to detail of ONE point, not in general. Maybe political...even if was reasonable by itself, So are the others...

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I am glad I did not buy the Hornet I was looking at. To bad NHRA changed the rules, it would have been a fun car. Dyno

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The only reason that stuff got approved to start with is that the person approving it didn't have a clue.

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Good for NHRA, the group 19 parts never should have been included in S/SS. I didn't check to see if they removed the reference to flat top pistons for the 360, they were another bogus item.
Now that NHRA his come down heavy on those of us in the minority, hopefully they correct some of the issues affecting the majority.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632.

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Hey! whose the contact guy for some changes we'd like? yeah! swap out our 57 year old WCFB's for a couple of replacement little Holley's or AFB's (either one, don't care)

Also, if it takes about a half a year to correct it back, that's OK too, we'd be fast for awhile

Who do we petition? Thanks in advance

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Cannibalism????

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I am not biased to any make or brand, nevertheless, the parts are catalog, over the counter items just like all other makes did at the time.
If you take a close look at the specs for many other makes, they also benefited of the same type of parts.

Is this some sort of prejudice on a car make that happens to be a minority in the classes?

How did the Chevy 283 got to use a 327 intake?
How do the Chevy 396/375 cam specs clear the piston dome without modification?
Ford engines using camshafts that were only available over the counter only?
C-4 bell housings that fit FE engines?
Mopar 273 with Edelbrock intakes; over the counter item?
Boss 351 with a Holley carb?
1967 Ford Fairlane 427/2x4 with an automatic?

The list can go on and on....

Are the other makes afraid of an AMC beating them in class?

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Put them all back to OEM spec. If you can't buy a plate for it, its a super stocker.

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Great post. :)

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Looks like Adkins is still safe.

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welll,looks like a bracket racing i'll be goin'

i've sold off all my "legal" carbs, and i guess i can tub it now....
oh well, i was just probably wizzin' in the wind anyway...

gee,glad i didn't give NHRA any money yet;)

btw, checked engine specs for 67 amc and theres NO casting numbers for any acceptable intakes...

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Is this a return to originality? If so...better hold on to your Powerglides...early guys...your 3-speed stick trans...

and Randall...your White Cast Four Barrells!

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I agree 100%. Mine's got over 120,000 hard, Michigan miles on the odometer.

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I don't want to get into a discussion as to whether these particular items are bogus or not,
but I have a feeling this is not the end of this discussion.
You would think NHRA would know that you can't just add parts or classes ,and then take them away, causing a monetary setback for a group of racers.
You would think they would know something about legal precedent by now.
I think this is a dangerous road for NHRA to go down, that could have repercussions towards other non-assembly line parts...or whole cars , for that matter.

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Well said Mark!
Especially if the data was submitted by the manufacturer and not a racer.

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here's something to throw out there...HAS anybody ran the R4B w/casting numbers (not cheap...welll, maybe NOW they are) and 780 holley on anything yet?

'nuther one, has anybody ran a Quickfuel "gage" carb yet? legal (or at least was) replacement?

Have they been pulled from the engine specs yet FOR OTHER MAKES AND MODELS?

so far this has cost me a grand and i haven't been to the track yet....oh well ,where's my shoe polish at?

anybody think this'll get overturned, i got some amc stock for ya...

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This has been going on for 5-6 years, The first time i saw a 1969 AMX 290 CI with a 780 Holley carb in Super Stock I knew that was not correct. Also the HP on the 290-390 engines have been reduced by a whopping 20 hp. I also know that the 68-69 combos had AFB carb and the others I think were motorcraft. Many years ago when I raced a 69 390 AMX it ran ok with a AFB but it would fly with a 780 Holley.

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This whole thing is really disheartening. I do not own a completed Stocker or have I ever raced one. I have accumulated about everything I need to complete my SC360. The car is @ the chassis shop, & all major parts have been purchased even the overpriced R4B intake.

I guess I'm upset @ the fact that the sanctioning body would approve something without documentation then revoke it when they are shown documentation otherwise. How could they approve it in the first place? Yes the parts would benefit the combo but other than what I have out for those parts I really don't care if we had them or not. My car won't slow down after taking them off because it is not together.

I will continue to build the car & try to recoup some of the money I paid for the legal/illegal parts. It doesn't change the fact of what happened. What will be the next thing I buy that I can't send back?

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If you saw an AMC with a 780, had to be an IHRA car.

It is a well known fact that dealers were replacing the Motorcraft carbs with Holley's. My college roomate had either a 70 or 71 AMX that was having issues with the carb; the dealer replaced it with a Holley.

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Steve, you have a PM.
Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

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The 69 AMX that I saw was at several IHRA races but I also saw NHRA qualifying sheets on Dragracecentral with the same AMX & driver listed. BTW only a few days ago in the NHRA class guide the Holley 780 cfm was a replacement carb for 290-390 ci engines. I worked for the local AMC dealer from 1969-1974 and I dont know of any swaping carbs that AMC approved . I am sure if the customer wanted to pay for a carb swap the dealer would let them know that his warranty was void

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Forgive me, but what plate, Larry ?

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License plate.

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i like that.
we got collector plates out here;)

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Steve O,maybe the paperwork presented was a bit "enhanced"?Anybody know what the deal is with the TRW pistons is?
There is still a pretty good AMC combo that hasn't had enough thrown at it that's
perfectly legal,just nobody to make the commitment.

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Thats exactly it. If I did not have more irons in the fire than I can count, a hornet sc/360 would be coming. Thats still a solid 1.00 under plus player, just not a 1.50 under ride with all the extra enhancements.

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Paul,that's not the combo I was talking about.Although with some HP off, the 360 4 bbl. would encourage someone to pursue it.

Ed F.
Gone but hopefully not forgotten :>):>)

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The 290/ 210 hp is good as well if thats the one your referring to!

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Bingo.

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Ahhh yes!!
And you're absolutely right !!!

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Is this the combo that Garrett Ghezzi runs in his SS/MA AMX?

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Yes it is.

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Larry, I'm now running a 1974 Illinois license plate. Am I okay?